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No, I understand what you guys are pointing towards.

"The same rule should apply to trade routes that go through a river or canal."

I'm saying this should not be the case. It is not realistic for it to be the case, and it only opens up possibilities like what Brandon is concerned about. In reality, you don't have the ability to just deny someone passage simply for having a port downriver from them. You don't have control over the river simply by having a port. And so in this community you shouldn't have control over the river simply for having a port either. The most you should be able to do to block someone upriver from you is send a ship to intercept and attack theirs, as we're already able to do.
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09-Feb-2017 03:46:03

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"Lure yourself closer to where the songs of sea take you to.
These songs, may they pierce your ears as I take command of you.
Break my seal and perhaps you may live.
Only those who I find worthy will reach ashore my island.
Listen to my song, listen to the story of my people.
I will decide your fate on reaching this island of mine.
Who am I? I am Seasinger Jemi."



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09-Feb-2017 04:27:18 - Last edited on 09-Feb-2017 05:03:45 by Damion Avah

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The claims on Page 3 have been re-organized into the shiny new Tiers. I have recalculated everyone's revenue, and I am happy to announce that all POCs should have a slight buff to their revenue!

I have also double-checked all resource amounts, while I was at it. There was one minor issue (it turns out I was off by 1W, 1F for KOI, you now have one more of these resources than previously listed), but it is fixed.
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09-Feb-2017 04:38:24

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Muren said :
No, I understand what you guys are pointing towards.

"The same rule should apply to trade routes that go through a river or canal."

I'm saying this should not be the case. It is not realistic for it to be the case, and it only opens up possibilities like what Brandon is concerned about. In reality, you don't have the ability to just deny someone passage simply for having a port downriver from them. You don't have control over the river simply by having a port. And so in this community you shouldn't have control over the river simply for having a port either. The most you should be able to do to block someone upriver from you is send a ship to intercept and attack theirs, as we're already able to do.


I think one of the other concerns is the size of the rivers themselves. I know that we have to leave some things to the power of the imagination, but is the River Lum (as one example of a river) too narrow or shallow to support ships?

I'm not saying this to shoot the river ports down, I just don't actually know the dimensions or depth of the River Lum. I suppose I have the same question for the River Salve, although that river would be nowhere near as "contested" as the River Lum. If we had an expectation of the sizes of the rivers, it would really help.

If the river is wide, then sure, you could sail around ships (especially if the blocking party doesn't know when your ships are arriving) but if the pass is narrow, then oncoming ships would be relatively easy to block.
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09-Feb-2017 04:48:54 - Last edited on 09-Feb-2017 04:50:07 by An Epic Fool

Damion Avah
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An Epic Fool said :
Muren said :
No, I understand what you guys are pointing towards.

"The same rule should apply to trade routes that go through a river or canal."

I'm saying this should not be the case. It is not realistic for it to be the case, and it only opens up possibilities like what Brandon is concerned about. In reality, you don't have the ability to just deny someone passage simply for having a port downriver from them. You don't have control over the river simply by having a port. And so in this community you shouldn't have control over the river simply for having a port either. The most you should be able to do to block someone upriver from you is send a ship to intercept and attack theirs, as we're already able to do.


I think one of the other concerns is the size of the rivers themselves. I know that we have to leave some things to the power of the imagination, but is the River Lum (as one example of a river) too narrow or shallow to support ships?

I'm not saying this to shoot the river ports down, I just don't actually know the dimensions or depth of the River Lum. I suppose I have the same question for the River Salve, although that river would be nowhere near as "contested" as the River Lum. If we had an expectation of the sizes of the rivers, it would really help.

If the river is wide, then sure, you could sail around ships (especially if the blocking party doesn't know when your ships are arriving) but if the pass is narrow, then oncoming ships would be relatively easy to block.


"The River Salve is a river about the length of the River Lum. It is generally the same width all the way down into the south-eastern seas. "

The only way to travel through River Lum is via canoe.

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09-Feb-2017 05:12:42 - Last edited on 09-Feb-2017 05:23:45 by Damion Avah

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Damion Avah said :
"Lure yourself closer to where the songs of sea take you to.
These songs, may they pierce your ears as I take command of you.
Break my seal and perhaps you may live.
Only those who I find worthy will reach ashore my island.
Listen to my song, listen to the story of my people.
I will decide your fate on reaching this island of mine.
Who am I? I am Seasinger Jemi."



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Clan: Wushanko Empire
Land: Whales Maw
Access to Land: Waiko


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09-Feb-2017 05:34:23

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Travis Thorn said :
With trade caravans, if a trade route goes through another kingdom without permission then the trade can not be competed. The same rule should apply to trade routes that go through a river or canal. That is how someone down river can block someone up river.


I agree with Travis. I think that if your ship must pass through the mouth of a river which another clan owns, it should be subject to the same existing mechanics with caravans.

I think this could add a much more interesting set of interactions that could be had between clans. It will open the floor up to more options with trades; i.e., I'll trade you 40k & 5 runes if you allow my clan access through the mouth of the river which your clan controls.

09-Feb-2017 05:46:06

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