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Scret said :

Everyone who talks on a twitch stream is a troll, all twitch streams are is just spam of any nature, not the best example.


Not entirely true.

Anyway, as I've said before, the two games are completely seperate. If you want a combined chat, there is already friend chat. When was friend chat last updated? Long, long ago (at least, as far as I know).

The downsides to this?
So many technical issues.
Players who only play one game, whether it be RS3 or OSRS, it is an almost completely separate community and doesn't need combining past friend chat.
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14-Mar-2016 09:41:30

Dracae
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Lisaa said :
Okay.....I'm going to draw a comparison here, this may backfire...

If you're all familiar with Jagex's livestreams on Twitch, you'd know that pretty much every time they livestream something for RS3 there's always a point in the stream where OSRS players are spamming trash talk about RS3 in the comments section. There have even been a few times when Jagex has to interrupt the stream to ask them to calm down.

Do you really want that going on in your clan chats? O_o


First of all: WOW....

Like everywhere , RS has its idiots.. but this is rather over the top idiotic..
Secondly, any clanleader worth their salt will not allow this. Just like I don't allow disparaging remarks about F2P now, or by proponents and antagonists of PK-ing about each other. There always is something.. and you can't cave to the bullies!

When I see people talking about how having O S ppl using the same clansystem would make updates slower for us. I think this is not likely and really the opposite. If O S decides it wants a clan system and it will be a separate one , it will cost resources anyway without any benefit to us, but if it is a combined system this might finally be the reason for Jagex to overhaul it totally , helping us also. In the end this all is speculation and depends on how Jagex implements it .

Tamarac Elf said :
We have always been a social clan of the more "mature" spectrum of players. Some of our clannies just didn't care to make the adjustment to EOC (and many who stayed 07 don't realize how much it has improved). We manage to keep in touch through private message, but would welcome the ability to open our clan chat to those "lost" members.

Just our 2-gps

Tam


That is basically our story also. One thing I also notice is how players who are in O S and have stayed in contact will sometimes move back to R S 3, specially now there is a new skill to max.

14-Mar-2016 12:36:10 - Last edited on 14-Mar-2016 12:38:40 by Dracae

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Pescao6 said :
Severn said :
There is literally no downside to a toggle.

Just the screams from the QA team; I can hear them crying already. O_o

And my Deputies flooding my smartphone with whatsapp messages about what am I going to do if our RS3 CC gets filled with more people from OSRS than people from RS3. I'd rather avoid that whole argument. :P


Isn't that simply selfish?

But.. not only selfish, also a little unrealistic, at least in my experience we are talking about a minority who play O S.


Scret said :
Theres no downsides which are not general problems with peoples clans for example if theres conflict between two sets of clanmates for whatever reason then you have a disciplinary problem in your clan lol.

Nothing that having the option to use it or not wont solve.


Bingo!

14-Mar-2016 12:40:58 - Last edited on 14-Mar-2016 12:42:03 by Dracae

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Scret said :
Lisaa said :
Okay.....I'm going to draw a comparison here, this may backfire...

If you're all familiar with Jagex's livestreams on Twitch, you'd know that pretty much every time they livestream something for RS3 there's always a point in the stream where OSRS players are spamming trash talk about RS3 in the comments section. There have even been a few times when Jagex has to interrupt the stream to ask them to calm down.

Do you really want that going on in your clan chats? O_o


Everyone who talks on a twitch stream is a troll, all twitch streams are is just spam of any nature, not the best example.

As mentioned before, if your clan chat is like a twitch stream chat then you have bigger issues than chat intergration lol


Scret said :


Dont think ppl are asking to combine the systems are they? just wanting ppl to be able to chat in the same chat.


I would certainly prefer a system that is separate, but still allows access from both variants of the game to both clanchats. How OS implements or fleshes out its clans is their business, I only care about crossgame access for my clanmates.

14-Mar-2016 12:46:11

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DrBrokenBow said :
Scret said :

Everyone who talks on a twitch stream is a troll, all twitch streams are is just spam of any nature, not the best example.


Not entirely true.

Anyway, as I've said before, the two games are completely seperate. If you want a combined chat, there is already friend chat. When was friend chat last updated? Long, long ago (at least, as far as I know).

The downsides to this?
So many technical issues.
Players who only play one game, whether it be RS3 or OSRS, it is an almost completely separate community and doesn't need combining past friend chat.


This sums it up the problem here very well. A lot of misconceptions all in one place plus an interesting observation.

First of: I don't use Twitch, but if you say its not entirely true that they are all trolls, then a lot of them must be.. Not the type of player we should let influence us one bit.

But then there is the technical issues, that is up to Jagex.. every update, I assume poses its own challenges and Jagex decides whether they can make it work or not.
This is followed by the ' it is an almost completely separate community' fallacy, We know by now , from reactions here that at least in some clans this is not yet true. This should also be avoided and if possible reversed because we are taking largely about people who all come from the same source: RS 2, people who often share a long history up until the 2 different types of RS were created. This should not be ignored. Back then, in my opinion, Jagex should have already taken clans in to account more , but that is water under the bridge.

You point out that to players who play one or the other exclusively it is an entirely separate entity, well while I don't even believe that is true, there is the other category, the one that matters here: the players that do play both , do still feel a bond.

For the ones that don't there is the ' off' button..

14-Mar-2016 12:59:16 - Last edited on 14-Mar-2016 13:08:59 by Dracae

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Way to much emphasis is on hostility and differences, that is not what in my humble opinion clans should be about. I myself, when OS was made, wrote several articles condemning it. The main reasons were : splitting the community and a waste of resources. The first can now partly be fixed and the second is now what it is.. not something we can change anymore and as long as there are enough players paying for membership just to play OS , it might even be worth it.
There comes a time when we have to accept changes for what they are and move on, OS is a fact and so is RS3, if we are still complaining and angry about that now..I would call that rather petty. Like I concluded in one of these articles: humans adapt, dinosaurs go extinct.. back then it was meant as comment about those not willing to move on to EOC, now it is applicable to those not willing to accept OS and RS3 exist and are both legit options to play RS. That is the way forward, accept and try to improve. One of these improvements would be the option to join each others clanchats.

14-Mar-2016 13:05:50

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Dracae said :
The main reasons were : splitting the community and a waste of resources. The first can now partly be fixed and the second is now what it is.. not something we can change anymore and as long as there are enough players paying for membership just to play OS , it might even be worth it.


os is more popular then rs3 now most times of day, do you attempt to persist in putting you foot in your mouth, lookup statements before you make them.
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15-Mar-2016 06:47:05

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Ok, ok, I get the picture. Some of you want it and some of you don't. That's pretty much exactly the same reaction as those clans I've spoken to on OSRS. Not so different after all!

Whether it happens or not still remains to be seen. Nothing will be solved by continuing this discussion in the same vein.

As nothing will change for you if it does not happen, I propose we do this: assume it will happen. Now let's have a constructive discussion about how you would like to see it appear in game and function with this assumption.

Yes, yes, I'm fully aware a lot of you don't want it, and that is still a possibility. So let's not see the "Not at all" posts and such like and focus on constructive stuff. IF it goes ahead, how would you want it implemented so that you could cope with it?
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15-Mar-2016 07:27:19

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I want to say this as someone who isn't a clan leader anymore, but my view if I was still a clan leader.

Assuming I had anyone in my clan who played OSRS a fair amount, I feel I'd lose a lot of my clan members to their OSRS 'clans', so I'd prepare for a membership dip from that alone. Who knows whether someone would feel that they would want to stay in their 'old' Runescape 3 clan, or leave and join their OSRS 'clan', or as it currently is, friend chat.

Truthfully, I wouldn't accept OSRS players. If I had any remaining players who played OSRS part time, they could stay, but if I had any full-time OSRS players I'd kick them, or depending on how long they've been in, just tell them to not invite any more players from OSRS.

I'd also expect to have a few more kicks and prepare for more arguments between the two sets of players, as the communities are so different.
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15-Mar-2016 08:11:51

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To clarify, I mean the ability to chat cross game, not necessarily membership of clan cross game. Mod Maz
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15-Mar-2016 08:23:14

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