RuneScape Forum Archive | Citadel Boosters = No Trade

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KitKat said :
Aww there goes my Christmas gift idea.

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28-Nov-2015 11:42:36

Seer of War

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Scret said :
yea but it seems to be something that obviously cant be sorted by a bug fix.

Fraud is a lot different than just in game scamming, what fraud can you get from just trust trading? No one uses the word fraud to describe scamming in game.

Its not semantics, i dont know what you are referring to by using the word fraud.

And once again thanks to Scret, my legitimate points have been completely overlooked.

From Merriam-Webster:
Full Definition of fraud
1
a : deceit, trickery; specifically : intentional perversion of truth in order to induce another to part with something of value or to surrender a legal right
b : an act of deceiving or misrepresenting : trick
2
a : a person who is not what he or she pretends to be : impostor; also : one who defrauds :

My use of this term is 100% accurate to describe ingame behavior resulting from trust trades gone wrong - it is fraud by definition. And this update increases the likelihood of ingame fraud (scamming, stealing, call it what you want) occuring.

Clearly I know the changes were related to real world fraud since I quoted Mod Matthe's post where he stated it was related to RWT. Your issue with one word I chose to use doesn't change anything in my original points relating to its impacts on the update and the game as a whole. And I might add, even Mod Matthe stepped in to correct a supposed misconception based on your response - instead of addressing the underlying issues in my post. Nice distraction.

Please don't focus on unimportant details or choice of words - it detracts from our true purpose of being in this forum - to exchange ideas and provide feedback. I used a word accurately, maybe you would have chosen a different word - who cares. Unimportant.

Yet again legitimate concerns, feedback, and suggestions are overlooked due to one person focusing on minute details and semantics. Let's stay focused on what is really important - shall we?

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29-Nov-2015 04:20:28 - Last edited on 29-Nov-2015 04:43:17 by Seer of War

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2018

Scret

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What was the point of providing a definition, everyone here understands what it means and i never said it wasnt an accurate description but no one uses the term fraud in game, people refer to it as scamming, its not semantics its a legit confusion of what you actually meant because there was talk of actual fraud.

I addressed and responded to your point so it wasnt overlooked so i dont know what youre talking about in that regard.

Lol dont blame me because no one else is responding to you.

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29-Nov-2015 05:40:58 - Last edited on 29-Nov-2015 05:54:48 by Scret

Seer of War

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Scret said :
What was the point of providing a definition, everyone here understands what it means and i never said it wasnt an accurate description but no one uses the term fraud in game, people refer to it as scamming, its not semantics its a legit confusion of what you actually meant because there was talk of actual fraud.

I addressed and responded to your point so it wasnt overlooked so i dont know what youre talking about in that regard.

Lol dont blame me because no one else is responding to you.
The only reason I provided a definition is because you seem so confused about the meaning behind my post - which was pretty straight forward.

What I said was "3. Trust Trade - which opens people up for more fraud (not to mention headaches for clan leaders!)"

I don't really see how theres a question as to what I meant by that statement. You seem to be the only person confused as to what I "actually meant". I was very clear in my statements, clearly I was equating scamming via trust trading to fraud - which it is.

I went on to elaborate that this update increases the chances of trust trades resulting in fraud/scamming by removing safeguards that the Grand Exchange provides.

I said:
"If it is still usable on other players - won't trust trading still be an issue? Seems like removing it from the GE is also removing the player market place and safeguards provided to players by using the player trade system or GE transactions. This update seems even less viable now."

Taking my post in its entirety - there was no ambiguity at all about what I was referencing. I even expanded my thought in the same post to make clear what I meant. Not entirely sure what about my statements was unclear to you but because of your disagreement with my choice of wording we're now extremely off topic. So again, let's stop bickering over words and get back to having a real and meaningful exchange of ideas.

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29-Nov-2015 08:32:23 - Last edited on 29-Nov-2015 08:54:20 by Seer of War

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Scret

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Trust trading isnt the issue, nor is it an issue in general. Not sure why youre trying to push those points, its been made clear why it was changed no need for the debate, it is what it is lol.

No one wants to talk about it because theres nothing to talk about.

I dont know why it is so hard for you to understand that i wasnt sure what you meant by fraud.

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29-Nov-2015 12:41:20 - Last edited on 29-Nov-2015 12:42:44 by Scret

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Blasty

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Mod Matthe has told us that it was because of real world fraud, and that they can't go into detail of how it was done.

Mod Matthe said :
The change was made to prevent fraud by RWT traders and hackers. You can still use the boosters on your own clan mates, but we have removed the trade option due to naughty people being very naughty.

Mod Matthe said :
Actual Real World Fraud, not in game scamming or similar. Hence the change.

E2A: And therefore I cannot go into detail on how it was being done.

There's not really any benefit in using accusatory language against each other. Unless we have some way of knowing what happened, we're all just commenting on speculation.

I had about 30 of them for flipping before they became untradeable. I'm now using them on clan mates as a way to reward capping.
Everyone I've used them on so far has been impressed by the boost in xp it gives and say it motivates them more to cap.

I probably won't buy more once I've used them all up because my clan's citadel doesn't really need the extra resources. We may consider using them very rarely as a reward of some sort. Even when buying in bulk using bonds, each booster is pretty expensive for the experience it offers.

It's a shame that the item had to be changed because it was being used in committing fraud

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29-Nov-2015 14:48:07 - Last edited on 29-Nov-2015 14:49:32 by Blasty

Seer of War

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Scret said :
Trust trading isnt the issue, nor is it an issue in general. Not sure why youre trying to push those points, its been made clear why it was changed no need for the debate, it is what it is lol.

No one wants to talk about it because theres nothing to talk about.

I dont know why it is so hard for you to understand that i wasnt sure what you meant by fraud.

How could you not know what I meant when I elaborated about very specific details AND YOU REPLIED to the specifics of my post where I elaborated. This entire argument is because you didn't read, yet feel compelled to constantly reply to everything anyone posts on these forums. Again, stop hijacking threads and lets get back to a real and substantial exchange of ideas. Noone wants to read through threads where half of the replies are from you.

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29-Nov-2015 14:48:53

Seer of War

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Blasty said :
Mod Matthe has told us that it was because of real world fraud, and that they can't go into detail of how it was done.

Mod Matthe said :
The change was made to prevent fraud by RWT traders and hackers. You can still use the boosters on your own clan mates, but we have removed the trade option due to naughty people being very naughty.

Mod Matthe said :
Actual Real World Fraud, not in game scamming or similar. Hence the change.

E2A: And therefore I cannot go into detail on how it was being done.

There's not really any benefit in using accusatory language against each other. Unless we have some way of knowing what happened, we're all just commenting on speculation.

I had about 30 of them for flipping before they became untradeable. I'm now using them on clan mates as a way to reward capping.
Everyone I've used them on so far has been impressed by the boost in xp it gives and say it motivates them more to cap.

I probably won't buy more once I've used them all up because my clan's citadel doesn't really need the extra resources. We may consider using them very rarely as a reward of some sort. Even when buying in bulk using bonds, each booster is pretty expensive for the experience it offers.

It's a shame that the item had to be changed because it was being used in committing fraud

I agree, I wish they could just patch the bug that was responsible. Honestly, after finding out it was tradable, this update made more sense to me than it did initially. I think a secondary market to resell on the GE is smart for this item and actually would make it more worthwhile to purchase on Solomons - ensuring a relatively stable supply. However, the current Solomon prices are entirely too high in both RuneCoins and Loyalty Points to be viable at these prices and without a way to resell. It only saves maybe 45 mins.

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29-Nov-2015 15:00:45 - Last edited on 29-Nov-2015 15:01:27 by Seer of War

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2018

Scret

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Seer of War said :
Scret said :
Trust trading isnt the issue, nor is it an issue in general. Not sure why youre trying to push those points, its been made clear why it was changed no need for the debate, it is what it is lol.

No one wants to talk about it because theres nothing to talk about.

I dont know why it is so hard for you to understand that i wasnt sure what you meant by fraud.

How could you not know what I meant when I elaborated about very specific details AND YOU REPLIED to the specifics of my post where I elaborated. This entire argument is because you didn't read, yet feel compelled to constantly reply to everything anyone posts on these forums. Again, stop hijacking threads and lets get back to a real and substantial exchange of ideas. Noone wants to read through threads where half of the replies are from you.

I have explained why, dunno why its hard for you to accept. I read your post thats why i responded to it lol.

You complain about how no one has responded to your post yet complain about me when i do, nice logic.

I have responded on topic multiple times yet you choose to concentrate on that one point yourself.

Thats three contradictions.

Ill respond to what i want, if you dont like it then dont reply.

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29-Nov-2015 15:27:30 - Last edited on 29-Nov-2015 15:29:49 by Scret

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These things shouldn't of been put on Solomon's to begin with

The price of them is ridiculous

But nothing we say matters anyway. We discussed our frustrations and hatred for this object for weeks. Yet, all we were told was "Only the MTX team had time to do this"

Honestly every post refuting something is completely fruitless in every way.

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