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NWO Sharum
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NWO Sharum

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Fire Hawk154 said :
NWO Sharum said :
It's clearly obvious by now, after analyzing the update's design and your wording, that
the primary (if not only) concern here was the CLAN CUP.


This is really something I cannot believe though. Why would they give all clans all year long a 7 day probation if they could:
A) make it a temporary probation for the clans involved in the clan cup
B) easily monitor the clans in the clan cup
C) use a report system during the clan cup

It doesn't make sense to invest time in a probation system when there are many easier solutions IF the clan cup was the main reason to have a probation system. Let's also not forget most clans had no problem with clan hoppers and simply used the accounts in their clan chat. Maybe a select few clans had some clan hoppers which probably didn't effect any of the results. The clans who won the JCups were the clans that performed good all year long.

I did read Matthe mentioned Clan competitions, but maybe they are secretly working on a system that provides automated clan competition (skill competitions, battle ladders, who knows). So the clan cup being the main reason is not likely.

Exactly, it doesn't make sense. That's why it should be reverted.

Glad you agree :)
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04-Aug-2015 15:20:49

Trash

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Make it so you can buy off the 7 day cooldown period with a bond. You can buy anything else with bonds already, like exp on treasutre hunter, why not get rid of the cooldown period.

It is fucking horrible for clans, specially recruiters. Haha. I made you read my signature.

14-Aug-2015 15:54:04

Lisaa
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My clan is still against this probation system. Recruiting is a lot harder for us now, and we've seen more people leaving than joining.

Please change back to the old system. @Lisaa_RS - Followed by @Runescape
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15-Aug-2015 07:26:21

Ceecs
Mar Member 2010

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Lisaa said :
My clan is still against this probation system. Recruiting is a lot harder for us now, and we've seen more people leaving than joining.

Please change back to the old system.

I prefer the old system too, but it seems like it doesn't affect us much as people who are intresting in joining. Most of those actually join, we let them guest in the wait time if need.

I think people who actually want to join your clan cause it is worth it, do wait. Those who just accept first offer they get don't seem me as 'Clan people'. Those more intrested in benefits like citadel/avatar/rank Ceecs - leader of Ceecs Clan
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15-Aug-2015 12:39:18

Sith Lord

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If one of the reasons this new probation was put in place was to combat routine clan hoppers, then the 7-day cooldown should take effect accumulatively, instead of every single time a person leaves.


There are many reasons people "legitimately" leave a clan that does not involve the clan hopping behaviour this system was designed to protect against. If leaders become inactive, clans become dormant, or if the clan environment becomes toxic, people leaving for those reasons are dumped in the same basket as troublesome clan hoppers by receiving the same punishments.


Players should be held under probation if they leave 2-3 clans in a row, instead of just 1, as that reflects the behaviour the 7-day probation was designed to mitigate.


Furthermore, the 7-day probation completely shafts F2P based clans. The changes to when a player can use a citadel is totally irrelevant in F2P communities. F2P clan startups and recruitment drives are quite an uphill battle.


Also, if this probation was designed to prevent huge fluctuations in clan members during Jagex Cup tournaments, why not simply have a 'seasonal' system of probation?


A seasonal system whereby during Clan Cup, the clans are under the normal 7-day probation. Leave once and you're held under cooldown.

But once the competitions are over, clans revert to a more relaxed probation, where you have to leave 2-3 times to be held under cooldown.

16-Sep-2015 08:26:42

DrBrokenBow

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Is anything happening about these suggestions? It's been months now and no updates on it, not even to say that you can/can't now implement these suggestions due to other engagements. Because at it stands, as far as we are aware in the CLF, nothing is being/has been done about this update other than the opening of this thread and Maz's contribution right at the start of this update to allow you to rejoin your previous clan within the 7 days (thanks for that Maz). But seriously, nothing has been done - no one has even said "we can no longer even look at these suggestions as we are busy doing other work elsewhere".

But absolutely no updates on this makes it feel a little ignored, even with the promise of looking at the suggestions and telling us if they are or aren't possible. Can we please have an update on anything here - such as if any suggestions are on the backlog of any team, or if we are getting nothing more towards the probation update (even though it's clear even now, months after we've had time to "test it" that most people dislike it). MrBrokenBow - Former Leader and Founder of
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18-Sep-2015 10:17:54

Mod Matthe

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We currently do not have the resource available to make any changes to the probation system - should we have resource come available there are some suggestions here that are high on my list of developments I would recommend.

We do also continue to monitor clan member numbers and other associated data in order to ensure the overall health of the Clan system - should that generate concerns then it may led to application of resource directly but atm there is no evidence of that need. Mod MattHe | Former Community Manager, now in Events & occasional Lore Monkey

18-Sep-2015 10:49:47

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