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Scret
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Oh forgot to mention the forums, the forums can still us more features both on our clan pages and the rs forums, i mean it took them years to even have what we have today, a thriving and vibrant forum can also help enhance the community within the game.

Im sure a lot of you have offsite forums and are familiar with how much detail and customisation you can get out of them and how fun and creative that can be, why does Jagex refuse to reach that kind of level for the forums?
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21-Oct-2015 13:58:32

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DrBrokenBow said :
Salcos said :
We shouldn't have to find complicated alternatives in order to make things work the way we want.

For example (things that have been suggested as alternatives for updates we want)
-Keeping recruit rank open for people who need muted
-Using Runeclan to track xp gains (if they can do it easily why cant jagex?)
-Having everyone as admin so everyone can use avatar but not kick each other
-Manually having to go to each person adventurer's log in order to see their stats and other info

Stop saying "why would this happen when we can just do this alternative that takes hours or is much more complicated just because"


Also, tracking joiners, leavers, promotions and demotions - I mean someone did this on google docs using one of the excel sheets for crying out loud. Yes, it's not perfect - e.g for a name change it says someone leaved then someone joined and you can't see why someone left - e.g. a kick or personally leaving. But it's still an amazing tool for a clan leader, and would be so useful in-game.


Also google docs are susceptible to human error in any way. Also with large clans it can get very tedious. The moment we settle is the moment we inhibit change that we desire.
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21-Oct-2015 16:11:10

L0NE DRUID
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Hey all,

I have caught reading up of the topics discussed since my last post and I think some people did miss my point a little bit however others pretty much hit the nail on the head.

I never once stated that we are here to "Replace" the duties of Jagex, however we really care about the game and want the community to thrive and develop we should offer a helping hand to Jagex.

This mentality is already out there in the community a good examples are our very own Pmods/Fmods/Twitter Support Volunteers/Fansite developers/ Community forum helpers and most likely a whole bunch of other people I am missing out.

This whole forum "Section" was created so we as clan leaders can have an input on what we think is the direction forward for clans but for many months now it seems like the only types of discussions and threads that are made here are about giving suggestions to what Jagex should be doing.

For those of you who are unhappy with the progress that Jagex have made well all I can say is you have two options 1) Just sit around and do what you have always been doing and just let Jagex complete things at their own rate. or 2) Try and take some responsibility into your own hands and see if you can come up with cool new ways to do things.


You all must be thinking well I am acting like its really easy and just talking out of my ass so to speak well just show you guys that I am as much serious about helping the community as I say. I had already collaborated with my other clan ranks and members and we have already done some further ground work into our own clan website URL below for those who want it. (Not forcing anyone to go onto it. :P )

http://zealmania.tk

The idea was brought right before BXP and it was pretty much a few information pages where members direct people for our recruitment or for gains on Runeclan.

However over the last 2 days we have worked hard into creating other sections of the website which aim to resolve our problems.
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21-Oct-2015 20:53:04 - Last edited on 21-Oct-2015 23:13:51 by L0NE DRUID

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For anyone wondering the site is hosted on a server hence the .tk

There are two key things I am working towards these are two of the biggest problems that my clan face at this time.

The first problem is, since we have a lot of ranks that can promote people and that give out temporary avatar warden to some ranks (This is given if there are no Admin+ ranks at the time)

It is hard for us to track what was a persons rank before they were bumped up to the Temp Admin rank and sometimes the rank that promoted the person logs out without communication with the other ranks so lot's of us are sitting there wondering why are all of these lower ranks suddenly Admin ranks. Even though we could go back and ask what rank the person who got set to admin was sometimes people lie about the what rank they were and sometimes the person who promoted them forgets what the rank was. We understand human error and don't expect everyone to be attentive at all times.

So my solution to this was to create a static list of ranks which we only update once a member of the clan has officially been promoted so any of the other ranks can go back to the rank member sheet and check what that persons rank was before they got put up to the temporary avatar admin rank so any high ranking member can check the sheet and set the rank according to what is said. Now I understand that this requires a bit more coordination from our end because I had to assign 2/3 people to be in charge of this sheet so that all rank up's can be documented. However the people assigned the duty enjoy the extra responsibility and gives them more to do around the clan.

The static rank list can be modified by the ranks who I have given the Login Username/Password too and the system inside looks like what you see below.

https://gyazo.com/739589f1021eb062364251218faac5d6


My next goal for this system would be adding something like number of times capped or if they have capped during the week.

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21-Oct-2015 21:05:45 - Last edited on 21-Oct-2015 23:15:39 by L0NE DRUID

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Here are some more pictures of the interface and how it those with access to this feature can modify the names of the members.

https://gyazo.com/c2051da4117d6d3ce1e2e14af5c5d837


But yeah I am sure you guys already got the point :) .

The next biggest problem in my clan is that sometimes it's really hard to advertise events and gauge how well an particular event is going to go down and who really wants to participate. We tried to solve this problem by making a in built "Event Tracker" which I will explain a little about below.

The event tracker works by asking our clan members to make an account on the website so that their display name is shown. There are two major categories of accounts the first is a normal "Member" account, this account can sign up to any event listed and view the events. The second account is a "Admin" account, this account can create events and well join in events just like the "Member" accounts.

This is a screenshot of what the page looks like currently, I have also thrown in a GMT clock which sadly (only updates when I hit the refresh button) >.< but it's coming along.

https://gyazo.com/017ac87fb1e0320efcfb57f14268a4d8


Since my account is an "Admin" account I have the additional button on the right hand side which is the "Host Event Button", clicking it on my account will let me create the event, the event box can be seen below.

https://gyazo.com/f80f93921fc1a632cc78bc7284c4c392


Once I have filled out the form in the correct manner the event is pinned onto the wall, we have made that events are sorted in order of time as always. The number (8) you see next to my name is how many times I have created events, this is to help us track who makes events and we will have ranking benefits to this.

https://gyazo.com/16d388986aee4c2e16fabcf187e0e7fd


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21-Oct-2015 21:33:13

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Clicking on the "More Info" button as you can see in the picture will enable Admin ranks to see who is coming to the event as well as remove/edit the event details. I have put a parameter on there that events cannot be added if they are backwards in time. For normal members hitting the "More Info" button will only allow them to hit the "Participate Button" and their display name will be added to the list of participating members, no more display names can be added if a limit has been set. Check out the picture below.

https://gyazo.com/69d79ab310787bf987f1b7a232de6fe9


Now if the member did not want to participate then they can just click the stop participate button and their name will be removed from the list.

https://gyazo.com/4120d5f35d2435f2cabf489020f3ee79


Now here's what happens when I create a totally random test123 account its all semi functional but the navigation is a bit bugged, to go out of the "More Information" section you have to press the "Event" button at the top of your screen, Ill mess around with it a bit more later.

But this is how the "test123" account looks when it's logged into the "Event" section.

https://gyazo.com/fbf14e632c86a7136e15130b06861a73


As you can see, there is no "Create" event button on the bottom right hand corner and when you go into "More Information" you can only hit the "Participate" button.

https://gyazo.com/56f54fcf473df7c4acc1a9727fea12e6


When you navigate back to the Event main page the amount of participants has correctly increased from 1 to 2.

https://gyazo.com/849acf36a781692dea412a9a622f4f5b



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21-Oct-2015 21:54:37

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Anyway so I know I still have a lot of work to do on making it look prettier and I just threw the new pages together in about 2 days so it's just the basic bones of the system. The rest of the information on the site I had my other ranks fill out, this gave the site more body and (yes we do have a gallery as well) which only allows me to upload pictures into it at this moment sadly (I will work to try and get something up there that allows ranks with permissions to do this.

But anyway so this was my DIY idea and hopefully it has inspired some of you to undertake your own DIY Idea's (I know mine was very software/coding heavy) this is just my strength and I was using it. You guys can always come up with something equally cool using your strengths and talents.

I could never achieve all of this in such a short period of time without the help of my lovely members at Zealmania so all of you should really talk things over with your own clan members and see if they have any idea's, communication really goes a long way :) . The clan website will be heavily influenced by my clan members as you can see from the "Comps/Gallery Page" as I am allowing them to redesign the website in the way they want it, keep in mind the template and everything I have used are all placeholders and I did not pay attention to making it look "Pretty" I just wanted the basic functionality out.

I will continue to work on this throughout 2016 and keep making extra things in there to make everything bigger and better. Once everything is polished up I can think about distributing the features of my and/or helping others with their own little projects or driving further idea's into the CLF.

For now I wish all of you guys the best of luck in thinking about your future DIY projects and I would love to hear what 2016 holds for clans in terms of US using our own "Player Power" :P .

Thanks for reading <3
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21-Oct-2015 22:03:13 - Last edited on 21-Oct-2015 22:17:52 by L0NE DRUID

Scret
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@Lone Druid.

"2) Try and take some responsibility into your own hands and see if you can come up with cool new ways to do things."

Ok i will get to work with that permissions rework and mute system right now.

I dont usually comment on the way other clans do things because its none of my business on how somone wants to run their clan but because its on topic to your post i will.

That a terrible way of having to do things, i mean i applaud your creativity but we shouldnt have to do all those things, this should not be a scenario the message here is basically have 100 offsite tools and an offsite forum or tough luck buddy its your fault.
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22-Oct-2015 13:36:17 - Last edited on 22-Oct-2015 13:45:18 by Scret

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I think the root of our frustration is not the lack of new features for clans but rather the lack of support for current features that are hurting or have the potential to hurt clans.

As it has been stated, prior to the year of the clan we managed to do pretty well for ourselves. I wouldn't venture to say clans thrived but the community was larger and so we were larger. Even prior to the friend chat update all most clans needed was a recruitment thread. With the additional of the original clan chat (now friend chat) we did even better because we could all talk and hang out together even while we trained.

Then the year of the clan happened and we were given a vast number of new features including a new clan chat, a physical home we could customize to our liking, our own private forums and a way to micromanage our members responsibilities across the board. It was great and we loved it (most of us).

The problem now is that as the game progresses, as content is released, and as oversights from the big clan update are coming out, updates for clans to keep these new features relevant are growing fewer with more time between them. Examples;

- In the friend chat we were able to click problem members to give them a time out. Now we have to mute and entire rank, kick them from the clan entirely or live with it. This should have been added with the original update but it wasn't.

- Clan permissions are great but extremely restricted. We do not even have the ability to dictate which rank is allowed to kick from the clan. It had to be hard coded in that a single person could only kick up to two people from the clan a day. Many clans even had to restructure their entire system just to be able to use the permissions because they were so inflexible.

I won't get into the updates and fixes that were promised to us but didn't happen because Maz and her team didn't have the resources, but you get the idea. We were given a new system that is turning out to be inflexible and broken.

22-Oct-2015 16:51:48

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Also in regards to using offsites. If your clan can make use of an offsite forum great, but I also find that trying to walk some new members through using an offsite let alone the RS forums to be extremely difficult. Then there is the whole trust issue.

22-Oct-2015 16:53:17

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