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Salcos

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@lone druid

I disagree with you fully. You keep referring to the old times in which clans were ONLY a group of players who shared common interests. They arnt anymore, they are on the hiscores and so much more. We are here to have discussions on clans, and to give input on/suggest possible updates. Your take on the discussion is more of a "take what you have and deal with it" attitude. Which is exactly the problem. We cannot just accept the denial clans have gone under, and the false promises.
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20-Oct-2015 03:45:34

Scret
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@Lone druid

I pretty much disagree with everything you have said.

I had a response but its probably going off topic so i deleted it.

Ill just say that offsite things like RuneClan shouldnt exist its just evidence of Jagex's neglect of important/usefull things that are much needed on the game/site.

No we as players shouldnt be doing Jagex's job for them
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20-Oct-2015 03:57:55 - Last edited on 20-Oct-2015 04:31:20 by Scret

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Scret said :
No we as players shouldnt be doing Jagex's job for them

Power to those who empower themselves.

Not every point in his posts is perhaps the correct mindset for clans of today, however....

Things like RuneClan that were made by players for us, is a good thing.
We absolutely are not there to take away Jagex's job, and it in some ways may seem silly that we need to.
However, it's like the little red hen, if your not going to help, then I'll have to do it myself.
And it's a potent sentiment.

RuneClan thrives from donations, and is invaluable to date, there are creative DIY ways we can do SOME things, which was his point.
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20-Oct-2015 08:13:23

Scret
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Shamk said :
Scret said :
No we as players shouldnt be doing Jagex's job for them

Power to those who empower themselves.

Not every point in his posts is perhaps the correct mindset for clans of today, however....

Things like RuneClan that were made by players for us, is a good thing.
We absolutely are not there to take away Jagex's job, and it in some ways may seem silly that we need to.
However, it's like the little red hen, if your not going to help, then I'll have to do it myself.
And it's a potent sentiment.

RuneClan thrives from donations, and is invaluable to date, there are creative DIY ways we can do SOME things, which was his point.

Things like Runeclan exists because players were tired of waiting for those features to be added to the main site like they should be, it shouldnt have to happen, RuneClan is a bad thing in the sense that players shouldnt have to go out of their way to develop their own things because Jagex refuse.

What kind of terrible attitude is that from a game developer? "oh we dont need to do it because eventually the players will do it for us?" thats not setting a very good mindset.

I am sorry we as players shouldnt be creating Jagex's game for them because they are too busy on micro transactions/spin off games like darkscape and numerous piles of content which ends up on the big dead content pile.

OFC we are willing to help thats why we post ideas constantly but what has just been posted is basically saying we should do all the work or just be happy with what we have lol, its a truly unbelievable mindset to be having.
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20-Oct-2015 12:40:56 - Last edited on 20-Oct-2015 12:42:39 by Scret

Fire Hawk154

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I actually do agree on many points with Lone Druid. All my clan needs is a chat to talk in, and the friends chat is actually fine for that. Everything else we just made ourselves or found online. We never needed more clan tools than Jagex offered. Clan websites, forums, voice chats, IRC, fansites, they have all been around for a long time. They're great, people learn the basics of webprogramming, how to safely use programs, and there are far less limits and rules. They allow more customisation and personal touch than Jagex can provide.

There are some things Jagex could provide, but I also expect Clan Leaders to help themselves if they need something and not rely on Jagex. Most clan tools are not that hard to create and data isn't very hard to track (unless your clan is too big).


Salcos said :
You keep referring to the old times in which clans were ONLY a group of players who shared common interests. They arnt anymore, they are on the hiscores and so much more.
I would actually say they were alot more in the old times and alot less nowadays. Just because there's a highscore and a clan chat doesn't mean clans are more than they were. It all really depends on your definition of clan though.
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20-Oct-2015 15:37:24

Scret
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Fire Hawk154 said :
I actually do agree on many points with Lone Druid. All my clan needs is a chat to talk in, and the friends chat is actually fine for that. Everything else we just made ourselves or found online. We never needed more clan tools than Jagex offered. Clan websites, forums, voice chats, IRC, fansites, they have all been around for a long time. They're great, people learn the basics of webprogramming, how to safely use programs, and there are far less limits and rules. They allow more customisation and personal touch than Jagex can provide.

There are some things Jagex could provide, but I also expect Clan Leaders to help themselves if they need something and not rely on Jagex. Most clan tools are not that hard to create and data isn't very hard to track (unless your clan is too big).


Salcos said :
You keep referring to the old times in which clans were ONLY a group of players who shared common interests. They arnt anymore, they are on the hiscores and so much more.
I would actually say they were alot more in the old times and alot less nowadays. Just because there's a highscore and a clan chat doesn't mean clans are more than they were. It all really depends on your definition of clan though.

Why should we limit ourselves or our clans development because there are not the tools there to help us improve?

Its almost like youre saying youve grown your clan too big thats your fault.

Not everyone wants to use multiple offsite tools to just be able to better develop our clans. As extremely helpfull and easy to use as they are there are some that can really benefit us.

You cant just say deal with it and make that an ok excuse.

Things like clan mutes, whitelists, better rank customisation, onsite clan trackers, weekly/monthly hiscores for both clans and individuals, better PVP rankingand hiscores these should all be standard.
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20-Oct-2015 16:06:02 - Last edited on 20-Oct-2015 16:08:49 by Scret

Salcos

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We shouldn't have to find complicated alternatives in order to make things work the way we want.

For example (things that have been suggested as alternatives for updates we want)
-Keeping recruit rank open for people who need muted
-Using Runeclan to track xp gains (if they can do it easily why cant jagex?)
-Having everyone as admin so everyone can use avatar but not kick each other
-Manually having to go to each person adventurer's log in order to see their stats and other info

Stop saying "why would this happen when we can just do this alternative that takes hours or is much more complicated just because"
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20-Oct-2015 16:29:47

Salcos

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We shouldn't have to find complicated alternatives in order to make things work the way we want.

For example (things that have been suggested as alternatives for updates we want)
-Keeping recruit rank open for people who need muted
-Using Runeclan to track xp gains (if they can do it easily why cant jagex?)
-Having everyone as admin so everyone can use avatar but not kick each other
-Manually having to go to each person adventurer's log in order to see their stats and other info

Stop saying "why would this happen when we can just do this alternative that takes hours or is much more complicated just because"
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20-Oct-2015 16:29:48

DrBrokenBow

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Salcos said :
We shouldn't have to find complicated alternatives in order to make things work the way we want.

For example (things that have been suggested as alternatives for updates we want)
-Keeping recruit rank open for people who need muted
-Using Runeclan to track xp gains (if they can do it easily why cant jagex?)
-Having everyone as admin so everyone can use avatar but not kick each other
-Manually having to go to each person adventurer's log in order to see their stats and other info

Stop saying "why would this happen when we can just do this alternative that takes hours or is much more complicated just because"

Also, tracking joiners, leavers, promotions and demotions - I mean someone did this on google docs using one of the excel sheets for crying out loud. Yes, it's not perfect - e.g for a name change it says someone leaved then someone joined and you can't see why someone left - e.g. a kick or personally leaving. But it's still an amazing tool for a clan leader, and would be so useful in-game. MrBrokenBow - Former Leader and Founder of
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21-Oct-2015 10:21:43

Shamk
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I think it's already to late on Jagex's part for something on here to do RuneClan's job, even if they came out tomorrow with a perfect replica on the Runescape website or whatever the case may be, I'd still just go to RuneClan....It's so simple.

Also awhile back, I read a suggestion created by Subzero, for a Citadel capping hiscores column. This way avoiding a clan code rewrite. Here is an example of something we could do ourselves, assuming Jagex simply cannot put out the time and energy for it.

I don't doubt this notion is met with disgust, us doing their work for them....But....Better this way then nothing.
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21-Oct-2015 11:42:00 - Last edited on 21-Oct-2015 11:51:41 by Shamk

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