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Redtunnel said :
Giving up isn't the answer, though. I still think we could win Runelabs with some organisation and effort. Whether they would go through with the winning idea or come up with an excuse not to is another matter. But really, with no clan development in a foreseeable future, we have to try to make a change. I think my clan could contribute to at least 100 votes with some nagging and encouragement.


Its not about giving up its about focusing on the things that matter the most, i and im sure many others simply do not have the time to focus on pushing as much as possible the updates that we need because ya know we are busy actually playing the game.

Bottom line is its just not going to be possible for me to push runelabs ideas onto my clan because that would be too much for me and for my clan members to do inbetween the things we already do for the clan itself.
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26-Oct-2015 15:44:44

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Jagex has limited resources and they are obviously going to prioritse their dev time on content that they think is most worthwhile. Without changing their view on clans, we can probably expect to wait a very long time for an update. I argue that at some point, you have to decide what is more important to you and your clan. Whether that is clan updates or other content is not for me to say, but I was under the impression you were unhappy with their lack of attention to clans. As long as people do nothing to change the situation, why would it change? We keep trying to raise the concerns on CLF, but change doesn't seem like it's coming, that is why I suggest we try to push for other channels of communication. Asking people to eg support a Runelabs idea isn't that time consuming?

Runelabs is just one way to go about it, though. Another way is that we take matters into our own hands and develop third-party solutions, but we would need a bit of leniency on their TOS for some features (e.g. auto moderation comparable to whitelisting). Such leniency is unlikely to happen because of the controversy with traditional bots. That aside, we would never get actual clan content, like a new plot at the citadel.

Here are some features that a very simple lobby bot could have:
• Avatar tracking (who has an avatar, on which world and when it was summoned)
• CC moderation (eg a toggle to auto kick f2p guests if they are not on a whitelist)
• Citadel cap tracking (ie keeping track of who has capped each week)

Basically anything that has clan broadcast messages. The biggest problem with a bot like this is that it would eat a considerable chunk of memory and CPU to run the java client and needs an x window. It is by no means unreasonable to make, though.

26-Oct-2015 16:34:59

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The "lets do things ourselves" approach isnt the right one, if we are content with that then theres no reason Jagex will see they are doing anything wrong and why should when they have enough people artificially telling them that everything they do is always the right thing.

And yes i do find clans as a sole contributor to the fact that a hell of a lot of people only still play the game because of their clan and their community. Clans are big to the game whether Jagex wants to acknowledge that or not.
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26-Oct-2015 19:48:23 - Last edited on 26-Oct-2015 20:44:24 by Scret

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Scret said :
The "lets do things ourselves" approach isnt the right one, if we are content with that then theres no reason Jagex will see they are doing anything wrong and why should when they have enough people artificially telling them that everything they do is always the right thing.

And yes i do find clans as a sole contributor to the fact that a hell of a lot of people only still play the game because of their clan and their community. Clans are big to the game whether Jagex wants to acknowledge that or not.


Hey threre,

I think you are again missing some point's that some of the members are trying to make, at the end of the day it's down to us to how much of an effort we make for our clans and how much we make do with the systems we already have.

Jagex does not ignore clans nor the CLF, as you can see by the dedication of Matthe and Maz, if they weren't here then there would be other people assigned to the clan threads, however Jagex do need to prioritise the tasks as many people here have already stated.

The whole "Lets do things ourselves" approach is to give Jagex an idea about the fact we do care about our own community and are not just sitting here with the attitude of "All we are good for is crying because we don't like something" or because Jagex won't do anything we won't do anything either cause we are too busy to care and we can just live with the fact nothing is being done for clans.

If you really want Jagex to do something then you need to work towards getting that thing fr example Blood Dyes. The group of people who wanted Blood Dyes to come into the game (Even though it was a tiny update for Jagex) created so much support and so much noise that Jagex ended up going "You know what if people want it so much we will just give it to them, get off our backs"
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We just need to generate enough attention to clans to catapult it to higher up on Jagex's To-DO-List.
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27-Oct-2015 14:11:40

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Redtunnel said :

Runelabs is just one way to go about it, though. Another way is that we take matters into our own hands and develop third-party solutions, but we would need a bit of leniency on their TOS for some features (e.g. auto moderation comparable to whitelisting). Such leniency is unlikely to happen because of the controversy with traditional bots. That aside, we would never get actual clan content, like a new plot at the citadel.

Here are some features that a very simple lobby bot could have:
• Avatar tracking (who has an avatar, on which world and when it was summoned)
• CC moderation (eg a toggle to auto kick f2p guests if they are not on a whitelist)
• Citadel cap tracking (ie keeping track of who has capped each week)

Basically anything that has clan broadcast messages. The biggest problem with a bot like this is that it would eat a considerable chunk of memory and CPU to run the java client and needs an x window. It is by no means unreasonable to make, though.


Hey there,

This is a great Idea, I like it already :) tell me how far/if you start work on it .

As for Runelabs, again I 100% support this if you take a skim read of my post right above this one, that's the exact point I was trying to make.

We need ways for Jagex to see that we are a community that actually cares about the direction of clans, and not just keep ourselves limited to the CLF, Jagex is a big place and not everyone has time to go over specialist forums and threads.

If we hope to be back in the Lime light such as a "Year of the Clan" or something of that sort we need to bring our plight out more into the open for ALL of Jagex to see and one of these ways is to keep throwing ourselves out there to be noticed.

Even if we don't win stuff like Runelab Idea's Jagex will see more and more of us, and hopefully acknowledge that working on clans is going to be as important as working on God Wars 2 or NXT :P .
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27-Oct-2015 14:17:47

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Gluepot said :




Hey there,

I had a read of all of your posts and I must say they were a great read and I 100% agree with all of your points :) .

It's nice to see that there are more clan leaders that are understanding and willing to work t
towards some of the more Do It Ourselves approach.

I am sure we will be able to slowly work towards a better place for clans even if we are having to develop some solutions to our own problems, keep up the great idea's!
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27-Oct-2015 14:22:16

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Scret said :


If they did they would actually spend more time and resources fixing the problems. No im afraid clans are low low down on the list of priorities.

Also im getting a bit bored of this "your own solutions to your own problems" as if we are all a bunch of inept clan leaders who cant do anything. we have all done our best to deal with the problems and all done our best to use alternatives out there, we are not idiots.


Hey there,

I don't think the whole "Find the solution yourself" is the response to every issue. This would be the community showing that we don't just sit around and complain about anything and everything.

I think it's more the fact the clan leaders (Most of them) are realising that right now there are not going to be any new features being implemented into the clan system, so rather then showing a lot of bitterness and negativity towards the issue, lets all act like adults and do something to elevate the stress that we are facing.

What we are trying to do is show to Jagex that we care about the community of clans and we would be willing bring ourselves out into the open and show to the rest of the Community and Jagex, that clans are worth working towards and they shouldn't be low down on their priority list like you have said.

If Jagex is not working on clans, the according to you its because "They are not as important as other updates" which I also agree, however it's up to us to bring clans back into the spotlight. If Jagex sees we care then they will too.

If you feel that the approach we are taking is wrong, then feel free to suggest some of solutions to us so that Jagex does work on clan updates and we get the things we want.

How about you create a petition for all the clan leaders to sign and we can mail this off to Jagex? Maybe then they will do the clan updates that we want. :)

https://www.change.org/start-a-petition
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27-Oct-2015 14:28:24 - Last edited on 27-Oct-2015 14:53:08 by L0NE DRUID

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Salcos said :


I am also getting tired of hearing the "find solutions yourselves"

That shouldnt have to be the response to every issue. Attitudes, and settling like that are the issue and reason why clans continue to get ignored. Why? because we are ok with it, we will find the solutions ourselves, we will complain for a bit then stop, we will just let it go.

See the cycle?


Hey there,

If clans are getting ignored according to you, then you should be the first person to say "Hey how can we make it so that clans don't get ignored for any longer?".

We can all see that clans are getting ignored and we can all see that Jagex has better things to do right now then work on clans. However, how can we change that?

That is the question, how can WE as the CLF show Jagex that clans are a big part of Runescape and if we can take the time and effort to work towards making them better and we have enough support then why shouldn't they make it better?

There are many ways we can show the Community and Jagex that clans are a big part of Runescape and they should be brought back into the limelight.

Why don't we start thinking about these things, when any community has issues about Jagex they do things to bring it to Jagex's attention.

For example when the community was having issues with EOC, they made such a big fuss about it and there was so much stuff that was on Twitter/Reddit/YouTube/Runescape Forums and most likely other places that even though more development on the combat system was not high up on Jagex's list they started working towards OldSchool/Legacy/Momentum.

When the PVP community had problems they thought about brining out DarkScape and also Deadman mode for OS.

The community are the people who drive the change in Jagex because the community are the ones that are paying for the game. We need to just get ourselves back in the spotlight.
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27-Oct-2015 14:43:29 - Last edited on 27-Oct-2015 14:48:32 by L0NE DRUID

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L0NE DRUID said :
Scret said :
The "lets do things ourselves" approach isnt the right one, if we are content with that then theres no reason Jagex will see they are doing anything wrong and why should when they have enough people artificially telling them that everything they do is always the right thing.

And yes i do find clans as a sole contributor to the fact that a hell of a lot of people only still play the game because of their clan and their community. Clans are big to the game whether Jagex wants to acknowledge that or not.


Hey threre,

I think you are again missing some point's that some of the members are trying to make, at the end of the day it's down to us to how much of an effort we make for our clans and how much we make do with the systems we already have.

The whole "Lets do things ourselves" approach is to give Jagex an idea about the fact we do care about our own community and are not just sitting here with the attitude of "All we are good for is crying because we don't like something" or because Jagex won't do anything we won't do anything either cause we are too busy to care and we can just live with the fact nothing is being done for clans.

If you really want Jagex to do something then you need to work towards getting that thing fr example Blood Dyes. The group of people who wanted Blood Dyes to come into the game (Even though it was a tiny update for Jagex) created so much support and so much noise that Jagex ended up going "You know what if people want it so much we will just give it to them, get off our backs"
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We just need to generate enough attention to
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Im not missing the points, no, im disagreeing with them.

Darkscape was a slap in the face for the PVP community, people didnt want a brand new game they wanted it in the main game.
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27-Oct-2015 16:09:20 - Last edited on 27-Oct-2015 16:23:07 by Scret

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I agree with Scret on the PvP part. Jagex didn't solve the problems on RS3. The big fuss players made never resulted in quality long term solutions, just in easy short term solutions that harm the game and community in the long run.


I also like DIY projects, when F2P was wiped from the hiscores I had to make my own signature program because all the fansites couldn't make F2P signatures anymore. I learned alot from it, but half of my clanmembers quit the game and we couldn't recruit any new players. Throughout the years I became used to having to do everything myself, but that doesn't mean it should be normal. Jagex should do more for communities, but there should be a difference between what's necessary and what's luxury.
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