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noddaclew

noddaclew

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In the issue of inactive clan Owner, Jagex chooses not to intervene. Yet you do not provide an option other than that the inactive log in and step down. Lets look at some problems with this "solution."

Jagex does not wish for us, the players to ask for real life info. Many peeps nonetheless willingly share contact info, but to ask even for an email address technically is a violation. I cannot contact my clan leader unless both of us are online simultaneously, and only if his chats are on, status on. If he chooses not to play again, how am i to ask that he transfer Owner to an active?

Unlike the situation in RuneScape, IRL death is not reversible, ever. And deterioration in health cannot be cured merely by munching a couple of big fish. Is Jagex oblivious to the reality that Death, Coma, Disease and Debilitating Injury will at times make it entirely impossible for a Clan Owner ever to log in again?

Is it in any way fair that one player who cannot log, or simply has lost interest in the game, to penalize dozens or even hundreds of active paying Members? Is it realistic to ask a high tier clan to all leave and start over? It's laughable to consider that high level players in a Tier7 will all elect to join the woodcutting-only in a Tier One. Most will rather join some other big clan, or in disgust just solo the game. All that work, all that Loyalty, all the friendships are lost.

We understand the position that Real Life may at times make playing this game impossible. But a person who accepts the responsibility of leading a clan should have the the decency to consider all whose who have contributed. If he knows in advance that he will be inactive for a period, then he should appoint some other leader. If he does not then why should he not accept Demotion? We are not mere peons! Yet we have no means by which to Impeach this one who has abandoned us.

23-Jan-2014 13:59:37

noddaclew

noddaclew

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Other games provide a means by which a dead clan/guild/alliance is deleted and an inactive "leader" is replaced. Thresholds i have seen elsewhere have ranged from one to three months. That's long enough i think to endure loss of access to Leader's tools and Leader's inspiration.

And looking at those tools, we can see how prolonged absence will destroy the clan. If Owner doesn't log for a time and Deputy becomes inactive, then another level of Promotions within the clan becomes impossible. At some point no active Officers remain. Nothing can be done in the way building or even maintaining the clan.

From the wiki:
"Owner
This rank is not given out, unless the current owner becomes severely inactive, quits the clan, or is otherwise removed from the post. One of the current deputy owners will the become the owner."

And yet we do not see this applied in the game. Inactive Owner just remains Owner and the clan deteriorates gradually. If some Auto-Replace method cannot be applied, then should not the decision makers set specific circumstances under which a manual change could be applied? These would include obviously the period since Owner's last log-in, the level (tier) of clan and health of the clan (are active members still present in sufficient number). Granted it makes little sense to make such a change in a clan of 3 actives, but perhaps 30? 130? Perhaps Jagex, with their access to account info, could even attempt an alert message to the Owner, warning that a Demotion will be applied in say, 2 weeks if he does not respond or log in at all.

Responding to the replies that it makes no difference, that the clan can continue, uh not really. New recruits to clan, learning that the Owner is inactive, scoff and leave. Morale among all but the most loyal members declines. Officers in ally clans can so easily steal high level actives by exploiting this weakness.

23-Jan-2014 14:00:04

noddaclew

noddaclew

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Some tools are not currently available since they were not set up for lower ranks and there is no way to access that. If the single deputy were to leave, additional tools would be lost. Then the single Overseer becomes overwhelmed, frustrated, leaves too. And so the decline escalates. Yeah this situation of one per rank is a bit absurd, but that our reality now. We have no means by which to add another dep.
When we leveled our clan despite a barely active Owner, and leveled the avatar habitat, we had to wait weeks for the absentee to log in to do whatever it was we needed to make that avatar available to us. How would we ever get the third ava when we finish the next upgrade?

Start a new clan? Do you honestly think that a tenth the members in a Tier 6 or 7 will move to a T1? After all this work you ask us just throw it away, scrap the clan, start from square one. How about i suggest that your real life house be razed cause after all, you found this one so you can always find another? And all the stuff in that house, all your possessions, well it's just stuff and can be replaced. You can just start over from square one. All your memories, the pride you had, your comfort zone, those don't matter one whit.

23-Jan-2014 14:00:53

Mod Matthe

Mod Matthe

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Hi noddaclew ,

Have you read the discussion about why we have to put in a system for dealing with the situation you have described? I am very aware and sympathetic for the clans that find themselves with an inactive leader and we are planning to put in place a solution for those in this predicament but unfortunately such development takes time and resources.

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23-Jan-2014 14:04:06

Astralach

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Mod Matthe said :
Should be some really interesting decisions in that mix :)
Can you please give us an approximate eta on the next poll? :3

Off-topic:

1) Can you please ask Mod Infinity to check on Fansite Staff - Forum Access ? It hasn't been checked in over a month as far as I can tell.



2) You even use our images in your signatures, yet you insist on referring to us as "RuneScape Wikia" or "Unofficial RuneScape Wiki" because of a minor alteration the game guide section of your website. /rant

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23-Jan-2014 14:17:26

Mod Matthe

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ETA on next poll will be when the current development work is completed. How long will that take? Well it is Code and 75% done, and then it has to be Q&A'ed. So.... Who knows. :)


Offtopics.

1) Mod Infinity poked.

2) We have an official RuneScape wiki which is why that site is referred to as the RuneScape Wiki or the Unofficial Wiki. It is a great site as well, but that is why we refer to it that way.

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23-Jan-2014 14:46:25 - Last edited on 23-Jan-2014 14:46:45 by Mod Matthe

Astralach

Astralach

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Mod Matthe said :
ETA on next poll will be when the current development work is completed. How long will that take? Well it is Code and 75% done, and then it has to be Q&A'ed. So.... Who knows. :)


Offtopics.

1) Mod Infinity poked.
I'm probably pushing my luck here, but can you please give me a rough indication of how long one percent of code takes, and how long quality assurance usually takes? :3

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23-Jan-2014 15:00:27 - Last edited on 23-Jan-2014 15:04:58 by Astralach

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