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Sani btw
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'CLF Representative' is probably not the best way to describe what you're all trying to achieve.

You are simply looking to talk about clan-related updates/issues with Jagex and not in any way trying to pick a single player that can represent clans in CLF. We have Maz and MattHe for that already, and they have done a great job thus far.

Just to clarify: being in the Clan Leader Discord doesn't mean anything, everyone in there and on here are equal to each other.

25-Sep-2016 14:46:15 - Last edited on 25-Sep-2016 14:56:26 by Sani btw

Draziw

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Lisaa said :
Draziw said :
No one will represent Clan Quest but us,
No one is trying to represent your clan for you. This CLF Representative election is to elect someone to represent the ideas for updates that the CLF has created, not the CLF clans. Your clan is not being undermined in any way by the CLF electing someone to meet in-person with Jagex to discuss clan updates.

Hi Lisaa,

I do appreciate your prompt response. I feel however that you skimmed over my post and instead quoted a single line (not even the entire sentence) of my 2000 character post to validate the purpose of this thread without reviewing the issues I had brought up.

To clarify, the COMPLETE quote of the segment you quoted is:
Draziw said :
No one will represent Clan Quest but us, we can do it ourselves.If you tell me when they're going, we'll show up too.


I implore you to show anywhere in my original post where I claimed or alluded that my clan was being undermined. I made this statement to say that if the CLF opts to send someone to Jagex (which I think is a bad idea) That Clan Quest and it's vast network of players will send MANY representatives to assist. More is better than one.

There are multiple points which were ignored though:
How are we funding sending the representative IRL?
Are we limiting ourselves to only UK players? <---DUMB
What do we expect Jagex to provide that we cannot already do on our own?

New thoughts,
Why would us meeting in person be more effective than this forum or other mediums of communication. A twitter campaign would get excellent results, I can guarantee that.
Who says Jagex will meet with a rep (or take them seriously)?



I would appreciate it if you would stop implying that a representative of the CLF does not represent Clan Quest. Clan Quest is Represented by the CLF, and the title of this thread clearly shows the intention............
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25-Sep-2016 14:52:36

Sani btw
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Draziw said :
The title of this thread clearly shows the intention

I think the title of this thread is rather misleading and a bit off.

Instead of looking to represent CLF, they are merely looking to discuss the possibility of clans getting more attention.

25-Sep-2016 15:00:48

Draziw

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Sani btw said :
Draziw said :
The title of this thread clearly shows the intention

I think the title of this thread is rather misleading and a bit off.

Instead of looking to represent CLF, they are merely looking to discuss the possibility of clans getting more attention.


Well the title is clear. It just simply doesn't align with their intention.

Words have meanings. They have used the wrong words.

25-Sep-2016 15:03:51

Geneawac
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I nominate Rob Jones as the representative/ambassador/liason or what ever title that everyone thinks is appropriate. If people have problems with just one representative because he/she may be from one certain type of clan, why not have maybe two or three to represent skilling, pvp, and pvm clans? Since clans are a very large presence in the game they should have representation from players not just J Mods.

25-Sep-2016 15:18:23 - Last edited on 25-Sep-2016 15:24:22 by Geneawac

Lisaa
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Draziw said :
How are we funding sending the representative IRL?
Representatives who wish to go will need to pay for travel expenses themselves.

Draziw said :
Are we limiting ourselves to only UK players? <---DUMB
Absolutely not, though it is more convenient for U.K. clan leaders to go because it's more affordable for them. If there was (for example) an American CLF member who really wanted to go, then they could make those intentions known and see if they can become nominated.

Draziw said :
What do we expect Jagex to provide that we cannot already do on our own?
Do the Permissions Rewrite, allowing us to select who can edit clan info (rather than being locked at admin rank), allow Ava Warden to be independent of rank, recode the clan system to make it possible for future updates, oh and the majority of ideas found compiled here

Draziw said :
Why would us meeting in person be more effective than this forum or other mediums of communication. A twitter campaign would get excellent results, I can guarantee that.
Who says Jagex will meet with a rep (or take them seriously)?
Forum suggestions - tried and failed
Twitter campaigns - tried and failed
Facebook campaigns - tried and failed
Winning content polls - tried and failed
In-game rallies - tried and failed
Change.org petitions - tried and failed

We've decided that perhaps Jagex would take us more seriously if we met them face to face than from behind a keyboard.

Draziw said :
Well the title is clear. It just simply doesn't align with their intention.

Words have meanings. They have used the wrong words.
Okay so the title needs to be nixed to avoid confusion. Would that solve your issue with the thread?
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25-Sep-2016 18:02:31 - Last edited on 25-Sep-2016 18:03:23 by Lisaa

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Shamk said :
if he's available, I would support
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I'd be available next year 'cause I already planned traveling to Puerto Rico for Xmas 2016. :P
But yeah sure I'd go; I have even mentioned I'd like to go to RuneFest 2017.

I don't really know what you guys expect tho. I feel pretty informed about what has been going on with Clans. And I've already spoken with a few of the guys from Community Management and Customer Service.

Lots of requested Clan updates simply got delayed or put on a list of things Jagex would like to do in the next few years with no set deadline meaning probably in a couple of years if ever.

The most requested update is the permissions rewrite which is currently barely being worked on by Mod Maz on the extremely limited free time she has since she's been assigned to OSRS. It passed RuneLabs, but unfortunately ended up as # 33/41 on a survey I personally missed participating on. So it simply isn't going to get resources from other developers until further notice. In other words, don't expect it in 2017.

And yes, there is a whole list of known issues affecting Clans. But I'd say that most of them are things we WANT; it'd be hard to say that there currently is something that we NEED fixed or our Clans will collapse.

It's important to remember that Jagex has stated numerous times in the past that they will not work on developing things for which there are better offsite alternatives. And while we can all rant and be upset about bugs and things that simply do not work that were presented as Clan Tools, I'd much rather have the existing broken tools than nothing at all.

That being said, I would much rather meet with the Combat Council to discuss problems affecting PVP and PVM Clans, someone from the Dev team who could fix the navigation on the RuneScape website or someone from the Ninja team that could perhaps patch some of the Clan known bugs. O_o
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26-Sep-2016 04:13:17

Vera

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Is this our Hail Mary? And after the politics and logistics of nominating a "live representative," would Jagex officially recognize our ambassador, or at the very least acquiesce to having them over?

Before we all commit to this solution, can we better discuss the problem, and our alternative solutions? Personally speaking, I like to talk business and financials, since those are more likely to be shared concerns than our feelings versus Jagex's.

As of now, I can't really understand the purpose of nominating a live representative. Yes I understand that speaking face to face is more powerful than communicating online, but RuneFest also JUST happened and I haven't heard much chatter about raising awareness for clan advancement there.
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26-Sep-2016 08:08:18

Scret
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Vera said :
but RuneFest also JUST happened and I haven't heard much chatter about raising awareness for clan advancement there.


There was a clan meet up were ideas and information was passed on to Jagex staff. Only downside was Matthe wasnt able to attend it but he was rushed off his feet all day.
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26-Sep-2016 10:22:46 - Last edited on 26-Sep-2016 11:02:59 by Scret

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