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elipile
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elipile

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Fisk
Very nice that you would like to come with me to check the clues and find the penguins. I'll be glad to have a tracker like you to work with.
Of that clue "south of Ardougne" I can only say, that there was a penguin (not necessarily CW although it is the most likely) somewhere on the area that
- in the north includes Battlefield, Clocktower and Necromancer
- in the south includes Yanille
- in the west is either runing south along Battlefield's west side, Gnome Maze's west side and the stone fence, or it might run a bit more west leavin ZMI and the salamanders hunting area, Observatory an all buildings near it and the island in front of Castle Wars on its west side.
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05-Feb-2009 12:56:25

Lady Alicia
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This is what I find extremely amazing that your little clique seems to think that YOUR the experts on penguins.

Just becasue I do not observe penguins every single minute on World 60 does not mean that I have not been watching other groups on other worlds.
NOT just World 60!
Fact Jagex does not have the man power to sit around and code clues when a Penguin goes from point A to point Z etiher by it self or being forced.
Fact When I was watching what was being done to the Eagle Peak Penguin I went to Larry several times; and got the Exact same clue time and again; Then when it remained in Ardougne for over an hour again I was back at Larry going through all the clues and still was given the "EAGLE PEAK" Clue.
Why did I do this? Because a high leveled player that is a Programmer; who runs data and code as a complete geek knows tons about this type of thing; asked me to go Larry; when he would PM in game to find out as a penguin was being moved from EAgle Peak to Ardougne had changed clues.
I would get a message and I would go to Larry and get all the clues again.
I recieved the first clue given and an occasion other clue as a general Area such as "Kingdom of Kandin.
You need to understand coding programs and have a sense of what it entails to remotely get an idea of how it all works before you make comments as you have.
There are many players in RS with massive amounts of the workings of programs conducting thier own observations on Rev's, Penguins, Imp's and Randoms....
The only reason I know aobut them is I was approached by no less than 5 of them to help them gather some vital information for thier own experiments; they do the main work; while I gopher and provide additional information that helps them with thier Expert understanding of how RS works.

05-Feb-2009 13:18:59 - Last edited on 12-Feb-2009 14:19:40 by Lady Alicia

Lady Alicia
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Several of thier own observations were put to test this week; and even blown out of the water.
When all of us on different worlds experineced the same set of clues with ONE Clue missing.
OOOOOOOOOOOO yeah one clue is missing - and per thier understanding they have thier own ideas and thoughts on this.
Now with the many updates getting ready to be released and the complexity of the releases; compared to Penguins/Stars/Circus....do you honestly think that a penguin crossing over from one area into another area triggers different clues?
Cuz since thier release this group of programmers that I know in RL and on RS have asked me to witness thier observations first hand.
And I must say and I am exteremly impressed with what they come up with already....
Your observations just like mine could be a bit off!
Thier information has provided me with a great paper on programming for my University Course work this Semester!
So much so that a Professor of Computer Sciences (Degree from MIT) and Teaching Degree from Cambridge; who is now at my University is conducting his own investigations to disprove the work my peers and I have conducted thus far.
Only 2 have been disproven that of Randoms and Imp's...
OOOOOOOOOOOO well Ya can't win em all....
But you cannot close off your mind to others and what they have come up with either.
My peers are still conducting thier own investigations; of which have left me humbled in my theories.
The peers that I associate with are only doing this for fun; when they get bored with other coding and programming work...I do this as a hobby only scratching the surfaces that they know all too well!

05-Feb-2009 13:21:04 - Last edited on 12-Feb-2009 14:21:19 by Lady Alicia

Lady Alicia
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I am open to other possibilities....but not when they are conducted in a maner that only confirms what you want it to confirm.
This is not practical theorum nor does it prove much!
It only opens your theories up for a way to punch through some surface applications.

You state one observation you made as fact; I point it out and again you state it as fact; only on the previous page to completely change your mind.
If you do so please at least have the courtsey to say look; I was a bit off on that idea.
When you put coding into fitting a theory or your own idea; you need to remember that we are not the programmer that came up with the data and coding and only they truely know what they coded; the type of coding and how they coded a certain bit of information.
As state by My Professor; every single gamming programmer in the world could be given the same exact set of permeters to program in; using the same code and each and every single one of them will program it differently causing a different result each time.
You cannot take the Human elemental/factor out of the equation.
As in all honesty we were not in the chair at the main frame programming the penguins; were we?

05-Feb-2009 13:35:29 - Last edited on 12-Feb-2009 14:22:16 by Lady Alicia

elipile
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Secretwishes
I am going to shortly answer to the few questions or comments I could distiguish from the anger in your post.

Quote: "This is what I find extremely amazing that your little clique seems to think that YOUR the experts on penguins.
PLEASE give me a break! "
- I have never thought of my self as an expert on penguins or stated to be one.

Quote: "Fact Jagex does not have the man power to sit around and code clues when a Penguin goes from point A to point Z etiher by it self or being forced."
"Now with the many updates getting ready to be released and the complexity of the releases; compared to Penguins/Stars/Circus....do you honestly think that a penguin crossing over from one area into another area triggers different clues?"
- Yes I honestly do think that penguins activate different clues when crossing from one area into another.
Runescape seems to be full of all kinds of boredrs to cross that activate new things. I get constantly changing area sounds, I get new music when I step into new area, I get different warnings when reaching potentially dangerous realms, I get changes in "climate" entering certain areas and so on. If that can be coded for player characters to activate and in much larger qua******, why not some less than 50 clue areas for penguins.

- I do not argue with you of the clues you got, I have only brought in the clues I got and what was my conclusion.
Quote: "I have also noticed some inconsistances in your own postings from page one to the page before this....
You state one observation you made as fact; I point it out and again you state it as fact; only on the previous page to completely change your mind."
- If you did, please show me where and I can get it corrected.
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05-Feb-2009 16:50:49 - Last edited on 05-Feb-2009 16:54:55 by elipile

Fisktalon
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Secretwishes
if u would like to join me when i am looking for new clues would love help
yesterday i combed the area eli said i should and didn't find peng :(
but with one helper and area big could of evaded us at least if u see that a diff clue is mentioned ck that world u may find same as me ;) don't want to fight i don't tell your hunters not to spy peng's that i have caught
I like it when a trapper from your group helps at a trap
I believe eli does this to help all find peng's better and personally by clues and knowing range from clues thanks to eli's work was able to find last peng on v22
yes was confused by 9 clues but eli explained once found why
(I was expecting 2 wilde's and was fooled :@ )
Fyi I went back to ardy wo 58 and have received a new clue of around ardy was hoping for other clue to show u Secretwishes but would this work?? and would u like to help find or send me some of your clan to help?
again am am equal opp trappers of all peng's
and could u of had gnome maze peng in ardy then?? both were bushes?
lol we used to go for respawns we know most now this is the challenge lol
wish i had time to find peng but work calls cya and Secretwishes any time no pressure will help look for new clues and then find peng :D
fisktalon

05-Feb-2009 17:16:20 - Last edited on 05-Feb-2009 17:20:02 by Fisktalon

Lady Alicia
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Fisktalon:
I have not talked to my peers today; we are planning the last weekend in Feb to do some observations; I will let ya know and yeah you can join us.
With that Ardounge penguin I recieved 4 clues for him since this weeks reset....
Also on 3 of the worlds I was on yesterday the "South of Ardounge"; "Around Ardougne"; "Kingdom of Kandrin"; Near Ogres".... penguin yes 4 clues for one penguin the locations that I spotted this guy in were as follows.
I would world hop go immediately to Larry and spend about 30 minutes getting clues...
Ironically they were the same clues that I recieved at reset.
Only 4 of the penguins were where the clue was given.
I should have written worlds down but I didn't I let the computer select for me!
The Ardougne Penguin I searched for over an hour for he was not in/around or south of Ardougne he was a bush in Lumbridge Swamp near the Quest Start point south of Draynor Jail, Faldor Farm or Varrock minning East.
I found a Rock disguised penguin up on Wolf Mountain and one in the GE, Traverly and Seers
While hunting for penguins I would go back and re-check with Larry to see if clues were the same and as expected they were.
This has been a theory that one of my peers had put to us!
Unfortunately this being the 20th time that we did this we have now discounted his theory that penguin clues change when in fact they do not!
Although the Ardounge Penguin this week has 3 General clues and one more specific clue.
Because my group and I are trying to test out different things we have a control group of aobut 30 university students that have accounts that are confirming and blowing our theories to shreds.
These Univiersity students were enlisted from all over the world NOT just North America.
It was one thing that Our Professor advised us to do.
some of these students have asked thier friends to help; so they too are confirming or discounting the many theories that we have posed and come up with.

05-Feb-2009 18:37:33 - Last edited on 05-Feb-2009 19:05:07 by Lady Alicia

Lady Alicia
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Each individual or in small groups, go to other worlds other than world 60 and at different times of the day/evening; just so we can get an sampling of may/not be happening.
Certain things have remained constant.
These are certain things that we have proven as fact!
At reset through an hour after; the first clue given is your main clue - any other clue for that is a general area clue.
If you find a penguin such as we have at reset in a certain area with a certain clue; this is the respawn location should an update occur or a penguin become trapped and respawn.
Penguins respawn like the Master Gardener in North Ardougne does - if trapped and they cannot move after a few m inutes they respawn to a location... The Master Gardener when trapped will relocate to just west of the building near the N/W corner; outside that building.
Sometimes he respawns with in a snap of finger and other times he has taken up to 30 seconds.
Time of Day and ammount of players on a world do not influence how long he takes.
We have discovered that the respawn time is random.
We had the fortune of several weeks ago being in South of Ardougne for Reset location....
The update and reset occured as I called out to my peers; one was in Feldup and 2 minutes later actually witnessed the penguin resest in front of him.
This bit of information sent a flurry of many of my peers to building on yet another theory. Unfortunatley being RL we are not always on at the exact minute of reset....
Although since last week we have a few volunteers that are in game at a certain time to ensure that reset day is covered and players can find out exactly what is going on.
My peers have come to the conclusion that World 60 is NOT condusive to observation; We have all come up and used Jagex guidline of finding penguins as you do your daily tasks.
This means NO world 60 observations except that which relates to mass groups of players.

05-Feb-2009 18:37:42 - Last edited on 05-Feb-2009 19:06:14 by Lady Alicia

Lady Alicia
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There are but just a few peers that go onto this world for any observation = act react sequences t hat can only be reproduced when over 500 players are tracking, spying and hunting penguins.
My interest in the penguin programming at first was to crack the code to help players find penguins faster.
But when you have a small group of players that are manipulating factors then I gave up and look at this as way to find out how things work the way they do; and possible determine which programming code is being used.
BTW a few of my peers think it might be multiple programming code as was developed in Kansas for one of the first movies to use it = Jurasic Park.
(cannot remember the name but it was ground breaking technology at the time)
Now with multiple prgramming methods that can be interfaced on to one game; and touch screen computers; 3-D virtual screen placement it makes a programmers dream come true.
Unless we know ALL the elements that go into this type of programming my peers and I can only prove and disprove certain things in front of us while trying to create our own version of walking washing machines in obstructed and unobstructed areas of code = rivers, coast line, mountains, rocks.....
Yes washing machines = we did not use any copy written things that Jagex has.
It is very interesting information and fun at times; but I must say that by the Mid of May when the semester ends we will not continue with further observation... as it will be moot and pointless and the information gathered thus far has been enlightening to say the least.
Fisk I hope this helps you better understand what my peers and I are doing!
Thank you for your response!
Secret
BTW I am NOT an expert on programming I defer that to my peers; but I do enjoy helping and getting my papers written as well help prove/dis prove theories.

05-Feb-2009 18:50:38 - Last edited on 05-Feb-2009 19:03:07 by Lady Alicia

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