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civett
Oct Member 2005

civett

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Secretwishes: It seems to me that you have missed the point of Penguins W60, and this thread as well. It's not a competition, and they're not the ultimate authority; I've found no evidence of arrogance in this clan or in Eli's new thread.
I believe these threads are about helping other players succeed, and improving the standards for gameplay.
I don't have a mind for research and analysis, I'm more interested in the social milieu. I can't and won't contest any of your findings. I do find that working with Penguins W60 has made me more patient and considerate, here and in RL.
There are and always will be rude or inconsiderate players, but the standard set by this clan, Eli's thread, and others of a similiar nature set a model for those players. I have seen both improved courtesy and a greater willingness to assist players since I became active with this group.
Helpfulness is the reason for the existence of these threads and groups, not conceit or self aggrandizment.
Lady C

05-Feb-2009 19:30:21

Lady Alicia
Dec Member 2005

Lady Alicia

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Lady Civet:
Everyone has thier own opinion about certain things; Yours experinece may be one that is postiive but I have witnessed in game the mere rudness; arrogance and nastiness from a SMALL group that asscoiates with the clan you mentioned HAS done...and I have witnessed it not on this screen name but on my noob account.
Back to the point at hand; what purpose does it serve for 50+ players with the clue "Where Eagles Fly" on world 60; move it from the Hunting Area to Ardounge?

It is NOT helpful to make a penguin respawn or move it from one location to another on Wednesday during the busiest time of day.
On this screen name I have witnessed many players working together to trap penguins into the Yanille Walls; in fact have helped on a few occasions to do so....this is helpful.
It is also helpful that when a player has a penguin in a area that they direct others to the direction they should go.

This is not comming from anger but from a point of disgust and being fed up.
I send a group of players not even associated with the chat that I use to a location only to find out that a select few decide it is time to figure out respawns or move it.
Only to have 20+ players come to where I am standing and all upset and dissapointed that someone had made a penguin teleport.

05-Feb-2009 20:33:46 - Last edited on 12-Feb-2009 14:13:49 by Lady Alicia

Lady Alicia
Dec Member 2005

Lady Alicia

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While I appericate the fact that players want a penguin in a smaller certain area to be able to help a larger number of hunters what good is forcing a penguin from one area to another when in less than an hour it was set lose by memeber of YOUR clan?
And I was one of the players trying to keep the penguin in the Ardy church.
If you want to help players find penguins quicker it is called non react observation.
You gather a group together discuss stragedy of observing and trying to enclose a penguin with making it respawn = serves no purpose in my informed opinion; as it only frustrates those on thier own with out clan help to find these critters.
I do know for a fact that thier are more than 20 clans on World 60 spying on penguins; in fact one clan asked if I would come into thier PVP chat and help guide them...Which I did...several times only to find out that penguins were made to respawn.
If anyone wants to help other players that is great; but not at the cost of ticking off the majority that are searching.
It is called common courtesy and consideration...
I have on more than one occasion been the only player around to re-track a penguin down and keep an eye on it while other players from other clans came to spy on the penguin and abuse me...this is not helpful.

Teh whole point behind observation is not to help players but to predict where a penguin might go using certain references that are basic in programming and watching thier movement to see if those predictions are correct.
With non re-active participation on behalf of those that observe; some of a penguins movement is program while the other part is random.
Example = Using Ardougne penguin...
The programmer gives it a clue or set of clues; there are no perameters save for walls, rocks, rivers, agility...

05-Feb-2009 20:33:54 - Last edited on 05-Feb-2009 20:46:23 by Lady Alicia

Lady Alicia
Dec Member 2005

Lady Alicia

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There is no reason for a penguin with a rest at Castle Wars not to be able to move as far as the Salve Temple or even down to Shanty Pass gates.
By this I mean this penguin could go any where it wanted as long as it's random path picking abilities are not hindered.
Or for The penguin that respawns at Magic Training to be able to travel all the way to Pic Hunting area or even the Relleka hunting area or Relleka itself; again provided that it's path is unobstructed.
By observations you can predict some movement and where it could end up...
Providing that players are not hindering movement!
This has been the main driving theory behind the observations my peers and I are trying to conduct.

Anger is not what has driven me to write what I have but to voice the concerns of many players that are frustrated.
And Frustration on my own part when I cannot help players because a few take it upon themselves to determine what should happen and the clues are still the same; thus giving false info to players.
Is this helping the majority of players?
I find it inconsiderate!
In conclusion the only reason I observe is to better understand movement to predict a possible outcome.
So far half of the teams predictions were proven.

05-Feb-2009 20:46:31 - Last edited on 12-Feb-2009 14:17:00 by Lady Alicia

elipile
Sep Member 2005

elipile

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With all respect Secretwishes, I would appreciate if you would say in topicl of this thread and not turn your words in to bitter general dissaproving of what others than you your self do.
I am sure we all do help players to find penguins, maybe with different methods but with same goal.
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05-Feb-2009 21:02:35

Lady Alicia
Dec Member 2005

Lady Alicia

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Please refer to Lady Civets post = off topic.
My Point is this - There are many clues for ONE penguin; it is random on weather or not Larry gives one clue or several for ONE penguin.
This Week for ONE penguin 4 clues were given.
Another point - observation is the key!
Prediction of application is another resource and another point that will aide many players in finding penguins not just on World 60 but on ALL memeber Worlds.
When more than 30+ players all experince the exact same thing with an observation for more than 15 weeks and come up with the same findings then we have proven that the clues are given to a Penguins reset point NOT where it moves from one location to another.
Point when those 30+ also include others in discovery or de-bunking a theory then you need to take notice and figure out why; one player or a few get one set of clues and an entire group of other paleyrs gets something compeltely different.
Another valid fact is this.
The Lumber yard/ Sawmill penguin in previous weeks has had a clue that related to it's exact location and NOT the clue
"Located in the Kingdom of Misthlin" and this is a fact!
This is the missing clue that I refer to.
This is my last post on this thread as it is pointless when too many are too focused on thier own conclusions to see anything else; or even think that other possibilites exsist.
The reason for this statement is simple - I thought yeah great lets find respawn locations and the different clues for every LOCATION; until an aquintence that I absolutely despise pointed out some very interesting things that I have and had over looked.
If ya take your blinders off you will be able to see more than the road ahead but everything around that involves; penguin movement, reset, clue, respawn and what path a penguin takes in a given program or set of perameters.
I tried to help ya but it is obvious you don't want or care for it!
Good Luck

05-Feb-2009 21:28:51 - Last edited on 12-Feb-2009 14:18:48 by Lady Alicia

elipile
Sep Member 2005

elipile

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Within this rolling-up you certainly didn't even give any chanse to discuss, agree or dissagree with you.
Good luck to you too.
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05-Feb-2009 21:45:24 - Last edited on 05-Feb-2009 21:46:33 by elipile

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