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Canada Grrl
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Canada Grrl

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Boomer, Lady C; Secretwishes has made her feelings repeatedly known about our group since the very beginning and discussing it any further is pointless in my mind.
Regardless of what some may think, forums are public, it's the definition of the word, and not for any one group. Elipile has created a place for all users of the forums to discuss the clues Larry gives. So let us return to that purpose.
So with a recent update Jagex said they had fixed the roam ranges on some of the penguins. Any idea which penguin's wings have been clipped? Have we been collecting clues long enough to know and track who were the big roamers and wanderers and are now staying closer to home?

06-Feb-2009 04:48:45 - Last edited on 06-Feb-2009 04:49:56 by Canada Grrl

Lady Alicia
Dec Member 2005

Lady Alicia

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Quote Boomer page 4 last post

"Secret,
I have to agree with Eli in this entire thread. She has done *very* extensive research into the clues. I have done only a little bit, but I do see what she means.
I'll try to explain in other words if you don't understand:"
Then on page 6 first post with Lady Civet = completely off topic and you all expect a non defensive comment.
Now
For several posts you made it very clear that YOU did extensive research; and hinted in a round about way that I did not!
When you throw fuel onto smoke it will blow up in your face...
You all are playing the innocent victims and Secret is the big bad wolf.
Please take a look at YOUR condesending remarks and put yourself in my shoes!
I have stated and gave you credit for your observations; not once have any of you showed this in return; except for the posts where you seem to think that I was agreeing with your observations.
Now another ***dsending remark made - and this helps players how?
Condesending remarks are always taken badly; this is a bit of baiting which does lead to flamming...
You are all about trying to figure out all the clues and locations but do not give one consideration that other players have very valid points; that you seem to dismiss with the wave of a hand.
Fact - While you were driving that penguin no less than 10 other players were at Larry gathering clues on World 60 myself in that group; and other players that I do not know from a pile of beans along with other palyers that I do know.
Those players that I communcated with = every single last one of them never got any other clue except for "Where Eagles are Located"
You came back and stated that you got clues that moved with the penguin...
I have asked you to open up to the fact that yourobservations are wrong when so many players were calling out the Eagle Clue!

06-Feb-2009 04:49:00 - Last edited on 06-Feb-2009 05:01:51 by Lady Alicia

Lady Alicia
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Furthermore I have also stated that how does one group of players that are not even remotely interested or give a hoot about penguin movement = Those players only seeking to find, search and spy on them get the exact same clues; as the majority that were interested in what clues Larry was doling out to players as a penguin moved from point Eagle, to point Ardy?
This is what I refer to take the blinders off and look at ALL the observations not just your own!
2 of my peers - notice I did not say friends = peers have watched this thread; taken in to consideration your observations as well our own.
They have been watching many threads on this subject; as I stated 2 of our own theories were blown out of the water.
And they too; think you are condesending!
I am person of principal; when look at something stated; such as your remarks; without so much as hmmmmmmmmmm.
I am left with only a conclusion of; you do not care who you hurt - you did hurt; I then responded like I did.
Also that you only are interested in the observations that agree with your own.
How can you prove or discount any theory when you do not take in to consideration all possiblities?
The personal attacks did not need to continue after I had stated that I was not going to post further; but these personal attacks have continued and I will not sit by and not state my case.
You are wrong, all of you for being condesending and in your remarks and replies to me; and you have come across as a end all; know all on this suject.
I am tolerant to a certain point; but when you type remarks, like you are typing to a 2 year old.
How did you think I would respond?
I have an education; I very intelligent and do not need to be looked down upon, as has been done time and again.

06-Feb-2009 05:15:04 - Last edited on 06-Feb-2009 06:00:58 by Lady Alicia

Lady Alicia
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NOW for the topic....aaaaarrgggggggggg
When a massive amount of programming is done certain things tend to run into other areas.
Example:
On the Discovery Channel Last week they had a program about muscle and arteries and viens in the body.
How one artery although start in the leg and is called a certain type of artery goes up and into the groin and through vital organs and up to the heart...
Does this artery change names as it moves from one part of the body to the other?
No it reamins the same even though it carries the same life giving fluid and oxygen to the heart.
Yet Body parts are named differently.
Bear with I am about to make my point!
RS is the Body; There are Different areas that make up the body we can all agree on this; each given a different name.
But the programming carried over from one part to the other and intersects like arteries and certain muscles and nerves do. The programming does not change just as does the programming of how our bodies work.
The arteries carry life to the heart and viens disperse that life to the rest of the body.
This holds true with programming; you have a main program that carries messages to the entire game and then it breaks down into sub-routines...
What you are proposing is that each sub-routine is highly programmed to the point of hours upon hours of programming...
I am saying that with all the devolopement going on at Jagex that indeed it is not as highly sophiscated as you make it out.
With the new quest release "WGR" and other in game devolopments; it does seem you are overthinking what Jagex has done.
And with new devolopment getting ready for release and yet more hints of what is to come; I am betting that they have done basic programming; and allow the NCP to pick from a set of clues given to a set penguin a set disguise.

06-Feb-2009 05:15:31 - Last edited on 06-Feb-2009 05:29:00 by Lady Alicia

Lady Alicia
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A basic program would look like
<penguin: rock>
Reset
......<location>
...............[mountian-ice]
<path> no obstruction
Start
*ice mountian]
north relleka
south lumbridge
east alkharid
west pictoris
<clue> kingdom of asgarnia
Now this is NOT correct programming way but it is simular to how it is set up....
Now the penguin wanders to Lumbridge as we all know it is possible it could so.
The program would then only change the end point of the penguin = south lumbridge...
Now I have given the short cut of what it would look like but you get the idea; and there is much more involved than what I have given and I am not saying that this is how Jagex programms; it is an example.
In all the basic programming of a penguin would have at least 20 lines of coding = alot for a small critter and to have as you put a penguin trigger another clue; I highly doubt it...
I am not saying that you are wrong but you have to consider other possiblities can and have occured.
With that in mind you need to be able to answer; on the same world are a few players including your self been given different clues as a penguin moved along when more often that not more players were given the Eagle clue?
This is being debated tomorrow by my peers in class...
And will be the topic of our online discussion world wide via a conferencing server amoung other student programers.
I am hopeful that one of them will have an answer late next week = hopeful...
As we cannot answer this question; I am almost certain that you will be unable to answer as well.
Am I brash and harsh in my statements?
You bet - but I take extreme offensive when others are being condesending to me = treating me as if I have no clue as to what I personally witnessed.
I leave it at that!
Any further personal attacks on me need not be posted!
Niether should further condesending remarks.

06-Feb-2009 05:34:01 - Last edited on 06-Feb-2009 06:03:29 by Lady Alicia

Lady Alicia
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Lady Alicia

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I do not claim to say that the above is the program that Jagex uses and I have no knowledge of thier programming.
Also I do not claim be an expert; only that which I witnessed and experinced.
Please refrain from calling me a lair I really hate it.
Also you were not at my computer screen watching what I watching; as I do know what happened with my character and the in game information that I was given.
And I sure as heck wasnt at your computer screen!
If you would like to further discuss this openly then great; but the persoanl attacks will not continue and you need to have an open mind.
Just as I have done when one of the 2 theories blown out of the water was my own; btw was eye opening!
(Just reminded of this by my peer)

06-Feb-2009 05:53:04 - Last edited on 06-Feb-2009 06:12:18 by Lady Alicia

Canada Grrl
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Eli, I read earlier you were wondering about the route CW took to get in the Yanille walls. Well I was there for part of it. We know it spawns near the CW doors. It was reported as “south of CW” for a short while. I picked it up when it was being reported “South of the Gnome Maze” and near the ogre camp. I stayed with it as we slowly herded it towards the Yanille outside wall. Flyin’ had been there before me and I left him to herd it all the way into the north wall. It was also probably closer to an hour after we had it first reported to when it was in the wall. I believe it might even have been me who said the half hour, but I was counting from when we had found all ten.
I have to say, my first reaction when I heard of the changing clues was scepticism and that there would be too much programming involved. But I was brought over to this way of thinking when it was pointed out to me that as we travel through RS our location triggers the music that is played. That made sense to me. So why not for penguins too?

06-Feb-2009 06:03:49

elipile
Sep Member 2005

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Yes Canada,
I think the whole of Runescape is divided into numerous smaller areas and there is borders to cross between them.
Music changes when we move, area sounds change when we move and even climate changes at some few areas when we move. In desert we get thirsty, in Trollheim mountais we get cold.
None of the above mentioned accuire anything else but entering an area to start and getting out of there to make it change or stop.
My conclusion of the clue areas fits well with the other areas in Runescape. In fact it would only make sense if the already present would have been used in making new content where applicable.
Maybe I should make a new character and pay attention to the music I trigger, where does it change, when I walk around, and compare it to the estimated clue borders I have found :P

Shorty to Secretwishes:
I don't know where you have got the idea that I would use resetting in testing clues. Knowing the respawn location is irrelevant in the idea of clue areas and penguins activating them. Only thing restetting can prove is the clue of the respawn spot.
My method is very simple. Usually later on the penguin week, when I know wich penguins are in closed areas with just one or two possible clues, I talk to Larry, ask clues and check when I get clues suitable for roamers.

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06-Feb-2009 12:50:54

Fisktalon
Aug Member 2008

Fisktalon

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Secretwishes
Was the post about respawning a peng on wed. meant for me? Hmm I wonder did u think i did it on w60?? :O :O
The only good reasons to respawn a peng on w60 is to make easier to spy or safer to spy ;)
In this thread the only good reason to respawn is when a clue is received other than the respawn clues u received on reset on wed.
these processes need to be done on worlds other than w60 just as I had just found peng at reset of v22 so went to bank picked up sextant and hopped to w58 as u see my next default world where I quickly found and forced a couple respawns to find
So to cking clues against where peng’s are is what I would like to hear about.
Methinks that we need to find all the base clues for week (which we have) ;) whether we knew which are trapped to one clue or not just makes easier. So now we have clues and start cking for a new clue once found we send a team while monitoring the clues to find
once found ck against clue to verify range of clue and respawn
The knowledge of respawns from others and us learning them could help if u wanted to be a herder but hopping worlds and finding new clues would be better I think
But the herding of a peng say karjama’s peng down south to know where the clue changes is valid also and could work
again all this on any world but w60
Yes Secretwishes first we need to confirm the area to the clue. So first things first as I did myself verifying this process myself by getting new clue on wo other than w60 and am determined to find that peng wherever he is then tele back to find clue and verify is same and return again to peng may reset to see if clue resets after that. Do u think that is a fair process to discover if this theory is correct so whether I join your hunt or u join mine does it matter lol no :D
fisktalon

06-Feb-2009 16:42:05

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