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elipile
Sep Member 2005

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W 151 clue testing
Results:
- Bush peguin in Al Kharid got the "norhern desert" clue and when out of there it got the "kingdom of Misthalin" clue
- most western parts of Al Kharid, by the river near grapple shortcut most likely is part of the "kingdom of Misthalin" clue
- Cactus penguin was getting both the "kingdom of Misthalin" and the "kingdom of Asgarnia" clues

I was interested on if the cactus and the bush we found nearly 2 days ago in Varrock were still there. Both of the traps were empty. I went to Larry at 9.11 gmt and took 40 clues and got 8 different: 6 x deep jungle, 3 x Kandarin, 6 x Misthalin, 7 x mostly harmless pirates, 3 x quarreling brothers, 5 * Fremmy, 2 x island etc and 8 x wildy
As there was no northern desert, Asgarnia or Port Sarim clues I went first to search Al Kharid area to close out the possibility of pengun being there against the clues given. Then I went to Digsite, Rag and Bone man, northern Varrock, all around Varrock city, then south heading towards Lumby.
At 10.17 gmt I found the bush by the fence just southeast of wheat field and southwest of sheep pen. I followed it to Al Kharid. It stayed in the north side of scorpion mine for a long time, went back to Varrock side and then again to Al Kharid side. When it finally went seemingly more south I teled to Ardy to get more clues (11.00 gmt).
5th clue was Asgarnia and 6th Misthalin. I teled to Varrock, run to the fence and found bush just on the Al Kharid side of it. I followed it to south again and teled back to Ardy for more clues (11.11 gmt).
After 17 more clues, of witch 7 was Misthalin and none Asgarna or northern desert, I went back to check the situation. At 11.19 I found the bush right by the northern fence opening again, but on Al Kharid side. I followed it now much more south (11.31 gmt by the two ponds) and to make sure I know where it is while I go to Larry again asked Moon to help me.

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14-Feb-2009 17:47:54 - Last edited on 14-Feb-2009 19:32:59 by elipile

elipile
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AT 11.43 I was back to Larry and Moon was following the bush. Very soon she got it trapped by the river at grapple shortcut.
From the next 53 clues, there was not a single northern desert clue, 11th was Asgarnia, 29th Misthalin, 39th Asgarnia, 40th Misthalin, 43rd Asgarnia.
Moon started to wonder, if the spot she had trapped the bush was part of Misthalin clue area, it was by the river and more west than most of Al Kharid area. We decided to let it roam.
6 clues from the freeing of the bush Larry gave me the northern desert clue (12.03 gmt)
I took more clues and got Misthalin (12.06 gmt)and then again northern desert (12.07 gmt). Moon said that the bush was by the river when she left it to find the cactus.
When Larry gave me Asgarnian clue at 12.32 gmt also I headed to search for the cactus. Finally at 12.50 gmt after running around and double checking all possible, Moon found it at Dwarven Mine entrance south of Ice Mountain.
We got it trapped inside the room with beds at 12.59 gmt.
I went for more clues and Moon headed to Scorpion mine to change her gloves and to look for the bush. At 13.05 I got the Misthalin clue. Moon started to run up east side of Varrock, I teled to Varrock and headed south form the square.
At 13.13 I found the bush in the chicken pen west of cows. It was already behind closed gate but we decided to put it in the back room of the farm house. 10 minutes later it was behind 2 doors.

Thank you very much Moon for you help again :)
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14-Feb-2009 18:44:16 - Last edited on 14-Feb-2009 19:33:29 by elipile

Boomer
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Wow, you sure do a lot of research, Eli :O
Have you checked for music borders around the areas? (Such as along the northern Al Kharid gate or along the river)
I'll go check those out now, will update this post on findings

14-Feb-2009 19:41:20

elipile
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I haven't checked the music around there yet, very nice if you do, I appreciate it a lot.
But I have some info of the possible clue for Tai Bwo Wannai area. Yestreday when the Karamja penguin was trapped just south of the red circle in minimap it got the "deep in the jungle" clue.

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The east of bank, behind it, is different music area from the other Al Kharid area. It is east Lumby swamp music. Maybe that area is also part of Misthalin clue area
The music also changes to Varrock music about 2 squares before the opening in the gate.
And also, those penguins were let free when I got back in game. I went to ask Larry and got time after time northern desert, but boy was that penguin hard to find. Finally I found it, its the bush, and it is in the duel areana now.
For the missing cactus I got Asgarnian clue.
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14-Feb-2009 19:48:09 - Last edited on 14-Feb-2009 21:47:00 by elipile

Amaterasu Mi
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There's a small detail that's been nagging me, but I could be completly off base here, so please bear with me...
Jagex recommends logging out of the game before attempting to use QuestHelp (there is a paragraph suggesting this on the first screen you see after logging into QuestHelp).
It is also common knowledge that logging out “refreshes” your Hiscores.
Is it possible that logging in/out “refreshes” Larry’s clues?

On another note: Eli, I thought this is what you and Moon were up to when I pm'd you last night, I'm sorry for interrupting :)

15-Feb-2009 02:44:18

elipile
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elipile

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Amat
I have never even thought of this. I'm aware of logging out to refresh hiscores, but could it affect clues also.
This has to be tested but quickly thinking of it, I don't know if there is anything similar achieved info to be updated or refreshed with clues. Clues and penguins activating those are something happening in the game in real time, nothing is directed to another out of the game web page (I'm missing right terms, but try to understand) like hiscores.
Only thing that could be a bit similar, is if the clue areas are not with clear borders, like I have thought, but the borders would overlap at some areas.
In the music I have found 2 kinds of borders. First there are those that cut the music played earlier and change it to another when a certain square is crossed. Second type of borders are overlapping within a bigger area, so that the earlier music will not change, unless you cross to other side of first type border and come back. Then you notice that the music starting to play is different from the earlier one.
I think that this kind of overlapping music most likely refreshes or updates when logging and it is very easy to test too.
One basic difference between music and clues is that with crossing the music borders our characters cause the change but with clue borders the penguins cause it and we only witness it through Larry. So our logging doesn't affect the penguins on their routes at all and should not affect the clues either


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15-Feb-2009 19:06:44 - Last edited on 15-Feb-2009 19:34:02 by elipile

Boomer
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^ My two cents for the above ^
During resets, the spy book doesnt reset until after you log in and out. (or is that out and in? :P )
Not sure how that helps prove or disprove the theory, but it proves that some things are update when you log in and out... Though, that could be countered with that the book is an in-game item, and Larry isn't. And, as far as I know, NPC's dont get reset :o

15-Feb-2009 21:10:47

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