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Westenev

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... and I'll cast Annie as the protagonist.

Now I just need a childhood friend for the Protagonist who lifts. Gunslinger, are you still around?
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30-Jul-2018 00:40:55 - Last edited on 30-Jul-2018 00:41:50 by Westenev

Azi Demonica

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If I had a cellphone that connected to modern internet while I was in the past, well, I’d be able to discover a lot about historic martial arts! Though, I would probably end up dead. NotFishing made the best answer here, tho.
Westenev said :
The master of Ragnarok, I think. I'm sure Azi would appreciate the period drama and realistic battles.
I take it you’re being sarcastic near the end here? XD But, if an anime actually had semi-realistic combat, I would still appreciate it, honest.

I never watched the Vikings TV show, but it’s quite historically inaccurate. I understand that there’s room for creativity, but in my opinion, a film set in a historic environment should be as historic as possible. If it’s about fantasy Vikings, make it clearly set in a fictional version of our world. For Honor did that, and it’s good enough for me.

The link provided features a horrible shieldwall, and then everyone decides to just scatter for no reason and let themselves be killed.

‘’Two minutes into the first episode (I think it's the first episode?) and no Vikings. Why the hell does it have Ragnarok in the title, then?’’
Well, Ragnarok has multiple meanings, ranging from rebirth to apocalypse, so I’m guessing the title is not meant to be taken at face-value.

But, sounds like the anime is made by cartoonists who have no idea what they’re depicting, so are instead making a children’s show, separate from reality. But ya, anyone who attributes the phalanx to Alexander the Great clearly hasn’t read much history XD The phalanx has been around since the earliest days of Mesopotamia.

If this RP is meant to be a mix of fantastical history, that’s kinda what Impurity is about, as that’s what For Honor did: mix up the most popular warriors in history and get them to fight each other.

30-Jul-2018 00:52:35

NotFishing

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Azi Demonica said :

I take it you’re being sarcastic near the end here? XD But, if an anime actually had semi-realistic combat, I would still appreciate it, honest.


The combat is ridiculous. It's one of those animes that think a katana can cut through solid iron.

Azi Demonica said :

I never watched the Vikings TV show, but it’s quite historically inaccurate. I understand that there’s room for creativity, but in my opinion, a film set in a historic environment should be as historic as possible.


The idea is that the Vikings show is a condensed version of Viking history - they take a bunch of historical figures and battles, then merge them together. It's like a crossover historical fanfiction, or something. The first few seasons were pretty good and they made an attempt to have historically accurate combat, but now the story/plot have gone to shit, and all realism or accuracy has basically been thrown out the window.

Azi Demonica said :

The link provided features a horrible shieldwall, and then everyone decides to just scatter for no reason and let themselves be killed.


What happened in that episode (of Vikings) was the enemy commander had some of his men pull back from the shield wall and then all charge at specific point, breaking through the formation. Of course it broke his own formation too, so it turned out to be a bad call.

Azi Demonica said :

But ya, anyone who attributes the phalanx to Alexander the Great clearly hasn’t read much history XD


Especially when Alexander was more known for his cavalry than anything else.
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30-Jul-2018 01:05:53

Westenev

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It's not so much fantastical history as much as the belief that pre-modern people knew nothing of medicine, military tactics, civil planning, farming, smithing and many other topics. Basically, the human race survived to this day on blind luck, so much so that a single modern teenager could advance a civillisation 300 years ahead of its time.


EDIT: While I'm being mostly sarcastic, depending on the field of study and time period, this could be true. For example, post-rome to ww1, the area of medicine is believed to be attrocious. Even simple measures like boiling "surgical" impliments in alcohol could save lives from infection. Also, anyobe who has studied basic calculus could mathmatically prove the world is round (like the egyptians did), and should have a general idea of geography. A great start to a buding world spanning empire, no?
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30-Jul-2018 01:09:21 - Last edited on 30-Jul-2018 01:32:24 by Westenev

Azi Demonica

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Ah, those kinds of animes, just fantastical cartooniness. Which is fine by me, really; let artists be artists, after all.

''historical fanfiction'' is an interesting phrase, but it works perfectly! I'll have to remember that, it definitely clears things up. After all, since most people are not interested in history, and historically accurate history films basically get nowhere, it makes sense to portray the film as something relatable to a modern audience.

Ah, so that's what happened. Considering the very limited number of combatants, a shieldwall probably wouldn't even be necessary. Shieldwalls really only work if the entire battlefield is covered. But yes, if the commander made a bad call, those happened too.

Under Alexander, there were also adjustments to peltasts and infantry. Some pikemen had extremely long pikes, some peltasts were heavier-equipped, and he also fielded the best archery available. But yes, it was the Macedonian heavy cavalry were the true force that charged and smashed through battlelines near the end of the battle.




Ancient peoples were much smarter than we give them credit for. For example, one myth is that Christendom was extremely dirty, due to Christians wiping out paganism and forcing everyone to be filthy. Since the Dark Ages, European Christians would rinse themselves in giant buckets three times a day, usually stored with rainwater; pagans washed themselves three times a week, so Christians actually washed more often than pagans. I have seen multiple artistic depictions of people washing in giant buckets. Since most peasants did not have the money to buy wooden bathtubs, they washed themselves in barrels/giant buckets, or went into a lake or river. There are also pictures and textual evidence of ‘swimming holes’ which are basically swimming pools.

Medicine was basically only herbal, or based on vegetables and certain flowers or roots.

30-Jul-2018 01:51:55 - Last edited on 30-Jul-2018 01:52:41 by Azi Demonica

Westenev

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I’d imagine the quality of medicine varied depending on the time and place. Nuts, berries and faith won’t fix an arrow wound, lacerations, gangrene or brain swelling!

Find me a person who enjoys the waft of a ripe mans locker room in summer heats, and I'll believe that medieval people enjoyed running around sweaty. It's best to take history with a grain of salt, and just enjoy the novel.
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30-Jul-2018 04:16:33 - Last edited on 30-Jul-2018 04:17:38 by Westenev

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