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Inferi said :
Also, what's wrong with the Dark Ritual?

1. A Blight starts when an Old God is corrupted into an Archdemon. There are only seven Old Gods, which means Seven Blights. By preserving the Old God soul, you are opening up the possibility for an Eight Blight.

2. Keep in mind that the Grey Wardens will probably disband or stop being taken seriously after the Seventh (everyone, even the Wardens themselves will think the Blights are finally done), so there won't actually be anybody around to stop the Eight.

3. The Old God soul is stolen by
Flemeth
in Inquisition, who then gives it to
Solas.
If you've played Trespasser, then I shouldn't need to tell you why that is bad.

Deltaslug said :
Wasn't she going nuts from being exposed to too much lyrium?
Be a bit like someone that was taking too much lead or mercury

She was still way too hard on the Circle Mages even before that. The Red Lyrium just made her even more ruthless and paranoid.

Westenev said :
Within reason.


Not within reason. True, magic fuckery rates were higher in Kirkwall than they were anywhere else, but if her methods did actually catch additional mages, then they probably just drove other mages to blood magic instead. Beneath the gold, the Bitter Steel.

23-May-2018 04:33:15 - Last edited on 23-May-2018 04:39:11 by NotFishing

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NotFishing said :
Westenev said :
Within reason.


Not within reason. True, magic fuckery rates were higher in Kirkwall than they were anywhere else, but if her methods did actually catch additional mages, then they probably just drove other mages to blood magic instead.

Now this is the part I don't sympathise with. If a blood mage can be pushed to using blood magic, then they should be so they can be culled. I don't think Meredeth was in the wrong in that regard; more that she was willing to kill innocent mages on suspicion.
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23-May-2018 04:50:31 - Last edited on 23-May-2018 04:52:36 by Westenev

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Well, I don't know what to add to the Dragon Age discussion, as I've never played more than, like, ten minutes.

Hm, a Bioware-esque roleplay would require much extra work, long-term scenarios and goals, and fully developed influential characters BEFORE the roleplay actually began. It would not be an easy thing to do. I could rework The Lost Land into something like that, but since I have full-time work, it'd take me at least several days to create such an adventure. I think I'd have to grant each user a chunk of the world/kingdom/state for them to claim, to serve as a game master in their chosen domain. Each domain would have a piece of the Chronoscepter, the superweapon that can destroy the evil Campaigners, I guess, but I don't know if any of this is a good idea.

Basically, The Lost Land was meant to be something like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wF-vMc88YlU
and,
https://youtu.be/DMad55kzjyU?t=6s
and, last but not least,
https://youtu.be/9SGiI0_AA4o?t=32s
Overall, a roleplay that at times allowed users to rip their foes apart, or stab them to death, or whatever.

If I were to put all this into a Bioware-quality roleplay that had long-term storytelling, it would be quite the adventure. Admittedly, I don't think I'd be able to do that, at least not alone. My roleplays tend to be sandboxing through a set environment, as that's all I know.

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Not bioware quality; bioware-esque. None of us is getting paid over here, unless we're trying to petition Jagex to hire us as storyline writers. Which seems unlikely, since none of you louts even log into the game!

I'm thinking something less ambitious; a setting where we have to recruit groups in order to fight the greater oncoming threat. And perhaps a little less dystopian.

I dunno, I don't think gore really translates into writing. Gorn, certainly, but it's hard to describe cutting someone into ludicrous Gibs, since it's not exactly the most common household activities.
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23-May-2018 09:46:19 - Last edited on 23-May-2018 10:41:40 by Westenev

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Westenev said :
Now this is the part I don't sympathise with. If a blood mage can be pushed to using blood magic, then they should be so they can be culled.


Except blood magic isn't inherently evil. It's only when you start taking other people's blood involuntarily, or use it in such excessive amounts that it weakens the Veil, that it becomes a problem. Because it's outlawed, only the immoral and the desperate are willing to use it, and they're more likely to use it in excess.

Blood magic is the only form of magic Templars cannot reliably counter. So when Templars are about to beat you or kill you, it is your best line of defense. I'm not saying that justifies turning yourself into an Abomination like Orsino did, but someone like Jowan was completely harmless until provoked.

If your harsh methods are creating just as many blood mages as you're capturing, then you should not make your methods even harsher. That was Meredith's approach. It led to a First Enchanter that actively tried to undermine her at every opportunity (normally they are supposed to cooperate), an underground blood magic plot within the Circle, and it drove one extremely radical mage to conclude the only way to solve that was through armed rebellion. Beneath the gold, the Bitter Steel.

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NotFishing said :
Except blood magic isn't inherently evil. It's only when you start taking other people's blood involuntarily, or use it in such excessive amounts that it weakens the Veil, that it becomes a problem. Because it's outlawed, only the immoral and the desperate are willing to use it, and they're more likely to use it in excess.

Blood magic is the only form of magic Templars cannot reliably counter. So when Templars are about to beat you or kill you, it is your best line of defense. I'm not saying that justifies turning yourself into an Abomination like Orsino did, but someone like Jowan was completely harmless until provoked.

If your harsh methods are creating just as many blood mages as you're capturing, then you should not make your methods even harsher. That was Meredith's approach. It led to a First Enchanter that actively tried to undermine her at every opportunity (normally they are supposed to cooperate), an underground blood magic plot within the Circle, and it drove one extremely radical mage to conclude the only way to solve that was through armed rebellion.


Honestly, I don't think I've ever seen anyone use blood magic in a way that wasn't evil besides when it was used to lock a door or two (and even then, we never see HOW those wards were created in the first 2 games or their DLC). It takes from hitpoints, so for the most part, it's just ritualistic sacrifice - sacrifice x amount of lifeforce to achieve x effect. This would be fine if you used your own life force; but every. single. mage seems to become drunk on this power.

Blood magic is evil. I don't doubt that. Even Merril, cute as she is, has been tainted by it.

Honestly, I agree with Anders views - Mages need to step up and take responsibility for their own power. They need to stop consorting with demons everytime the templars show up on their door; it really is a two way street.

The Chantry was only delaying the inevitable, so they had to go.
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23-May-2018 14:19:59 - Last edited on 23-May-2018 14:24:22 by Westenev

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