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Westenev said :
This would be fine if you used your own life force; but every. single. mage seems to become drunk on this power.


And I've already explained why that is the case.

Westenev said :

Blood magic is evil. I don't doubt that. Even Merril, cute as she is, has been tainted by it.


How so? Most of her blood magic-related problems are more related to other people's views on blood magic than any actual evil on her part.

Westenev said :

Honestly, I agree with Anders views - Mages need to step up and take responsibility for their own power.


But if a mage's back is against the wall, and they're about to be killed, why should they care about what other people think of them?

An innocent mage is about to be killed. If that innocent mage uses the only reliable means to defend himself (because he is innocent and does not deserve to die), he is no longer innocent, and deserves to die. If that innocent mage doesn't defend himself, he dies anyways, and nobody will ever know the truth.

It's literally a witch trial.

Westenev said :

They need to stop consorting with demons everytime the templars show up on their door; it really is a two way street.


Blood magic does not automatically mean you are also consorting with demons. Beneath the gold, the Bitter Steel.

23-May-2018 15:15:57 - Last edited on 23-May-2018 15:21:37 by NotFishing

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NotFishing said :
Blood magic does not automatically mean you are also consorting with demons.

Uh-huh. So I guess the demons that appear around every single blood mage that isn’t a playable character is purely coincidental. Knowledge of Blood Magic often comes from demons, so it stands to reason that anyone using it would be consorting with Demons.


NotFishing said :
How so? Most of her blood magic-related problems are more related to other people's views on blood magic than any actual evil on her part.

Merril’s problems with magic run far deeper than that. I mean, if you actually bother to take her on missions, you’ll find she’ll resent you whenever you refuse a demon's offer – no matter the cost or payment. Anders, on the other hand, will resent you for taking the deals of demons. They even have banter about it, with Anders calling Merril out on her belief that there are no evil demons; only different kinds of spirits each with their own ups and downs.

We all know that sure as hell ain't true.

Hell, she only knows blood magic because she’s an unwitting pawn in a demon’s attempt to escape into our world. If it weren’t for the keeper’s sacrifice, she would be an abomination by Act 3.


NotFishing said :
It's literally a witch trial.

Perhaps, but better a Witch Trial than an Exalted March against all mage circles. If your plan involves becoming the very thing people fear you will be, it’s a pretty bad plan because the powers that be will eventually rally to kill you. And people aren't known to be merciful to things they fear.

Plus, let’s face it. Mages are feared, and with good reason. Let them run free without sorting their shit out, and you get the Tevinter Imperium. The Circle may not be perfect, but it seems a hell of a lot better than the alternitive.
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23-May-2018 16:08:49 - Last edited on 23-May-2018 16:12:40 by Westenev

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Westenev said :

Uh-huh. So I guess the demons that appear around every single blood mage that isn’t a playable character is purely coincidental. Knowledge of Blood Magic often comes from demons, so it stands to reason that anyone using it would be consorting with Demons.


This all stems back to both blood magic and demon summoning being held on the same level of evil. If someone is immoral or desperate enough to use one, they are also going to use the other.

Westenev said :

They even have banter about it, with Anders calling Merril out on her belief that there are no evil demons; only different kinds of spirits each with their own ups and downs.


"Choice! Spirit!"

Westenev said :

We all know that sure as hell ain't true.


I'd say Merril's problem is a result of ignorance brought on by the Chantry. Anything in the Fade is condemned and feared, including the actual good spirits. So when she discovers that there are good spirits,

You said you haven't picked up a copy of Inquisition. You really should. Solas offers a really healthy, balanced perspective on the demon vs spirit issue. He knows more than anyone else on the matter - the only person who might be his equal when it comes to that knowledge is Flemeth.

Westenev said :

Perhaps, but better a Witch Trial than an Exalted March against all mage circles.


Neither of those things are necessary.

Westenev said :

If your plan involves becoming the very thing people fear you will be, it’s a pretty bad plan because the powers that be will eventually rally to kill you. And people aren't known to be merciful to things they fear.


But if people are already afraid of you, already trying to kill you, and nothing you can do will change that, why continue following the rules of the very system that seeks to exterminate you?

(cont..) Beneath the gold, the Bitter Steel.

23-May-2018 17:54:07

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Westenev said :

Let them run free without sorting their shit out, and you get the Tevinter Imperium.


The Imperium is the result of a society that puts mages on a pedestal, with non-magical people being treated as property at worst, and second-class citizens at best.

The Circle is the result of a society that puts mages in cages, who can be stripped of all rights almost on a whim.

There's a healthy middle ground somewhere in there. Beneath the gold, the Bitter Steel.

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I still can't add much to the discussion of Dragon Age, as I am ignorant of it. However, Blood Magic and demons sounds cool, reminds me of Spirry and his environment, but Spirry's magic can be used by anyone and isn't inherently demonic. It's mostly body horror, not limited to just blood.

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West and anyone,
OK, if The Lost Land is too ambitious, there are other ideas I can work with. West, I think what you’re getting at is a roleplay that’s, say, has a story-driven protocol of some sort.

I think using video game trailers is the easiest way to go through this, because they show so much without me having to do much typing.


For Honor story trailer,
https://youtu.be/g6GGoTxvGzk?t=7s
This idea would be one of recruitment, creating a faction that can survive the second coming of Doom. After a second round of destruction, the quest would be to discover what is causing Doom, and defeating the source of evil.
Limited magic, limited fantasy, but some classes have some magical executions and brief abilities. Considering the main villain’s name, we can assume the origin of evil from there, and gradually expand into an evolving world with more magical themes.

Dark Souls 3 cinematic trailer,
https://youtu.be/_zDZYrIUgKE?t=4s
Lots of fantasy and magic. Heroes (users’ characters) awaken in their graves, rise forth, group up, and must embark on a quest to recruit other heroes of the present and the past. Along the way, many enemies, exploring castles, boss battles, enemy heroes, risking Hollowing, and gradually fighting back the Curse with powerful acquired weapons. Of course, this will not be limited to just Dark Souls, but have generic fantasy features.
Survivor. Sacrifice. Saviour. Which will you be?

23-May-2018 19:32:54

Azi Demonica

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Bloodborne trailer,
https://youtu.be/z9kAbFa78kA?t=20s
You’re a Hunter, a monster-slayer, or a monster-slayer of some sort, or for whatever reason you are joining a group of monster-slayers. The Hunters appear, group up, and must embark on a quest to find more Hunters to aid them, seek out powerful relics and weapon, and defeat the evil. Simple as that. Of course, this will not be limited to just Bloodborne, but will also have clockpunk, steampunk, and Lovecraftian features.


Bioshock 2 trailer,
https://youtu.be/Q8lngIFXRi4?t=10s
Users roleplay either as a Protector or Bonded, or both as a single bio, or both as different characters. The roleplay begins with everyone somewhat in the same area, a big fight breaks out, Protectors and their Bonded are separated, and the quest is for the Pairbond to reunite; destroy the entire city if you have to, and escape. Basically 1950s-1960s fantasy in an underwater city. Not only limited to Bioshock franchise.


OK, that’s all for now, I need to take a shower. If anyone has any ideas to add, such as features, characters, quests, or even showcasing a trailer of a franchise to base a roleplay on, go for it.

23-May-2018 19:33:02

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Blood magic is not evil, no more so than the Templar sword that killed said offending blood mage. What is evil is the usage, and since blood magic is more powerful than normal magic it would make sense that most of the those people who want to be evil and powerful turn to it. If you're going to revolt anyways, do it in the most effective manner. It's the same thing with demon summoning and consorting.

The problem is that nobody is ever given a chance to prove that their intentions are not evil. There's no tolerance for anything most of the time, and it just leads to more people dying and hating each other even more. Done in by the dubious doings of destiny.

23-May-2018 20:41:11

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