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Westenev

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NotFishing said :
You said you haven't picked up a copy of Inquisition. You really should. Solas offers a really healthy, balanced perspective on the demon vs spirit issue. He knows more than anyone else on the matter - the only person who might be his equal when it comes to that knowledge is Flemeth.

I’m not saying there aren’t Benevolent spirits, I just don’t think there is any evidence to prove Justice's (Awakening) opinions is wrong. Spirits are largely ignorant of our world, while Demons actively seek to stay in it; based on the first two games alone, it really doesn’t get any more complicated than that.


NotFishing said :
Neither of those things are necessary.

Inferi said :
The problem is that nobody is ever given a chance to prove that their intentions are not evil. There's no tolerance for anything most of the time, and it just leads to more people dying and hating each other even more.

I disagree. Call the witch trials a test of character, a way to prove not all mages are monsters. Not every fire needs to be put out with a nuclear bomb, after all.


NotFishing said :
There's a healthy middle ground somewhere in there.

Lest you forget, the Circle IS the middle ground between Tevinter and the Qun. The Circle as a whole doesn’t sound like a bad deal; Children are offered magical training and education, and they have three meals and a cot. For the most part, the Templars are a mixed bag – some hate mages, some are indifferent, and some have schoolboy crushes *Cough* Cullen *cough*

Implying “all Templars want to kill mages for the lols” is an incorrect; they’re there to prevent abominations and rogue mages, which is a very serious threat in that universe. The Circle seems like the logical step to keep mages safe from themselves and others.

I think it's very progressive for the setting they're in.
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24-May-2018 00:28:42 - Last edited on 24-May-2018 00:31:08 by Westenev

Inferi

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The problem with the Circle, Ferelden's in particular since it's not the case everywhere, is the isolation. You need to allow them to live normal lives, and despite what you're giving them there it's still a prison. Wanting to get out is entirely understandable, and it's really not giving the general mage enough credit for being a human being - or elvish being, whatever.

The idea in general is not bad, but I feel as though it's poorly executed for the most part.


Also post on my thread, West. Done in by the dubious doings of destiny.

24-May-2018 00:36:07

Westenev

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So, what? Start a mage alienage? They can move in next to the elves; I hear it's kinda cosy.

Personally, if I were running the circle, I'd start a huge PR campaign. Churn people in, spend a few years making sure they won't set themselves on fire, take their phylactery so we can hunt them down if they go rogue and then throw them to the curb if they’re not deemed a risk to society. If they want to stay, that should be an option too.

The problem with flooding the ecosystem with “qualified mages” is that you get people like Jowin promising he’ll teach a kid magic; then he poisons the kid’s father, and suddenly a hoard of undead is charging down the mountain slaughtering everyone.

If you imprison a mage, that's one life restricted. If a mage goes rogue in a public area, that's many lives lost.





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24-May-2018 00:51:30 - Last edited on 24-May-2018 00:54:03 by Westenev

NotFishing

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Westenev said :

Spirits are largely ignorant of our world, while Demons actively seek to stay in it; based on the first two games alone, it really doesn’t get any more complicated than that.


Man, you really need to play Inquisition. More specifically, the Trespasser DLC.

Westenev said :

I disagree. Call the witch trials a test of character, a way to prove not all mages are monsters. Not every fire needs to be put out with a nuclear bomb, after all.


A test of character where the only way to pass is to die.

Westenev said :

Lest you forget, the Circle IS the middle ground between Tevinter and the Qun.


It's a middle ground when between Tevinter and the Qun, yes. But I'd say we should lean more towards the Tevinter side than the Qunari side, considering how the Qunari enslave everyone, and mages literally have their mouths stitched up.

Westenev said :

Implying “all Templars want to kill mages for the lols” is an incorrect


Nobody is implying that.

Westenev said :

The Circle seems like the logical step to keep mages safe from themselves and others.

But it doesn't always work.

One of the characters in Inquisition, Vivienne, actually came from the Montsimmard Circle, where mages were treated well. I'd say that's the best Circle. Then there's Kirkwall, which was the absolute worst. Every other Circle is somewhere between those two in terms of mage treatment. The system is horribly inconsistent, and the Templars' only form of oversight, the Seekers, cannot effectively evaluate each Circle on a case by case basis.

I'm not saying get rid of the Circle, but it is in desperate need of reform.

Note that Tevinter does have Circles - they're just treated more as prestigious schools instead of prisons. Beneath the gold, the Bitter Steel.

24-May-2018 00:56:54

George Rozas

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Tevinter circles are not something to look up to. The templars don't even have templar powers, they're just soldiers, and the only mages that get dragged away and killed by them are those who have fallen out of favor with the political bullshit. I am Inferi.

24-May-2018 01:04:01

Westenev

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I dunno, I think the Qun is also a very progressive ideal for the setting; a society where the many outweigh the few. It has a very... Asian feel to the culture, kind of reminding me of when I saw a Japanese fishing boat. The workers don't second guess themselves, because there is no other way they could live. A life without regrets sounds wonderful.

Plus they have hot elven assassins voiced by Felica Day. Just sayin’. The Qun'ari. Not the Japanese fishing boat, because that would be weird.
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24-May-2018 01:10:16 - Last edited on 24-May-2018 01:11:23 by Westenev

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