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Formerly Joy

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The Real
IEmbraceLife:

Thank you,

I do enjoy reading suggestions and facts from other peers. I am writing to let you know that I agree and am fighting this campaign (alone currently) religiously. I've been in contact with multiple Old School staff members this past month. I have had debate and many agreements with Ash, Dan and Mat. I've even had them address the situation live on Q&A, Mat K proposed a change to 70% (I will come back to this.)

During The Wilderness R*juv. The Wilderness Guardians (Gene) tipped me off. He mentioned that Jagex seems adamant in investing into advertisement. He then explained that this is step two. Step one would be to develop a game to advertise. It made sense and cliques with me. Reflecting upon his knowledge, it is my belief that addressing the polling system will become the most important debate we have had to date. If this is not done, or if it is done wrong, we will suffer long term consequences as a result.

Back to Mat K's topic. During a live Q&A he used a hastily put together number crunch to propose a 70% poll system. He did not factor in the bigger matters that effect the end result of the approval number, such as biases. Because of these I am proposing a 65% system. I am also proposing that it not be polled in the same manner as the other items have been. Keep in mind, the Old School community did not pick the number. The community as a whole does not know what it itself wants.

I will have a very informative thread up soon. It will be academically written and will discuss my proposal. If we do not preserve a future for the game now. We will continue to suffer damages.

13-Sep-2014 01:09:04

Formerly Joy

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I'd also like to add here:

The above was a quick reply. I am not going to leak any of my facts or research until the thread is live, or I would've been more in depth. You can expect a lot more of the following on my thread (when live) :

Biases - One of many factors overlooked at.
Consequence - What are the effects of the current polling system?
Jagex Moderator Debate - Quotes from conversations that back my research.
Further Factors - What other than biases hurt our poll percent? is 75% really 75% ??
The Issue - The 75% Poll System & How It Deny's A Future For Old School.
The Supporters - I hope to show them in the 100's.

THE SOLUTION - What should be the new % to pass a poll? How should it be implemented? How will it effect our community and will it be the best for them both short term and long term?

I'm sure I left out a topic or two here.

13-Sep-2014 01:15:06 - Last edited on 13-Sep-2014 01:17:48 by Formerly Joy

justsomewood

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I'll be voting for Corp, and since you nerds are so against the unchanged divine I'll be voting down your stupid iron man update. I normal don't advocate such ignorance, but since we we haven't been able to pass a big update lately, who cares anymore?

13-Sep-2014 01:18:09

whyruhiding

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Jjozzie said :
User said :
When OSRS came out, everyone had to start from level 3 and no one had their stats or items transferred over from RS3. When clue scroll counters came out, everyone had to start from 0 despite some people doing thousands of clues previously. So, why will there be an exception for iron man mode? The people who started playing didn't do so with the expectation of a hiscores coming out so they have nothing to lose, but it ruins the excitement for everyone else who was interested in competing on the hiscores. Why go for, say, first to 1000 total when someone's already there before it's even started?

I agree with this. I know a lot of people have worked hard on their current iron men and will be disappointed with this response, but if they're doing the no NMZ rule, that nulls most current iron men. Just have a blank slate, everyone that wants to be on the highscores with their iron men has to start fresh. I doubt too many current iron men would care, after all, you're only cheating yourself if you cheat on a current iron man.

13-Sep-2014 01:26:33

Formerly Joy

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justsomewood said :
I'll be voting for Corp, and since you nerds are so against the unchanged divine I'll be voting down your stupid iron man update. I normal don't advocate such ignorance, but since we we haven't been able to pass a big update lately, who cares anymore?

I further implement cause to the argument I have posted above. A prime example of spoken bias. As Jagex once slurred the community as a "vocal minority," it should be understood most bias is not spoken. It happens right at the voting screen.

I end all topics on addressing the polling system. I will have a thread for that and I am sure the impressions I've made in past are sinking in. Apologies for off-topics. On topic... HELL YES CORP!!

Please pass ;-; like seriously, please. I can't imagine how such a good thing for the game is at risk of being denied. I can't imagine the heart break the mass majority of the base will go through if this isn't passed.

13-Sep-2014 01:33:05 - Last edited on 13-Sep-2014 01:33:37 by Formerly Joy

27cass

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Formerly Joy said :

Adding a dead content Corporeal Beast now would be an utter shame. It would also be an example that we are willing to settle for the worse. The game needs a future and Reach has discussed it. Elite PvM. Shields will not be overpowered once this is introduced. The new drop tables will only become better and give us new places to go in the game.

This is what the game needs.

Having corp in the game without spirit shields is not dead content. It's great content half implemented. And it will get drops that will make it worth the effort to fight. They aren't going to take all that time making a new boss just to have it go unused. And I agree, the Jagex team should be the ones to come up with ideas for the new drops, but I don't get why you are so hooked on spirit shields. As if there couldn't possibly be another item in the universe of imagination that could be worthy of being a corp beast "best drop".

Now you want to know what's going to be dead content? A new trade system where you still need to meet up to complete trades. That's dev time wasted if you ask me. The "allow for transactions without meeting up" feature should have been tied to the existence of the system. That was a poll that was done wrong.

But corp tied to spirit shields? No. I think those complaining about this are the ones who desperately want spirit shields in the game, and don't care one whit about corp. They want to tie shields to something popular like corp because they think the shields alone will fail.

13-Sep-2014 01:33:56

Formerly Joy

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27cass,

"And I agree, the Jagex team should be the ones to come up with ideas for the new drops, but I don't get why you are so hooked on spirit shields. As if there couldn't possibly be another item in the universe of imagination that could be worthy of being a corp beast "best drop".

In my argument I stated the following. Jagex encouraged the player base to get vocal on what they want the Corporeal Beast to drop. Multiple suggestions flooded the forums and they took note. After evaluation it was found both within their best interest as it is the player bases interest, in adding the Spirit Shields.

No, there was not a better item in the universe of imagination. A huge portion of them were deemed utterly ridiculous. Jagex is opening PDC shortly in the future and also has new slayer, elite pvm solo bosses and raid bosses coming up. This is where you can have your shot to create an item.

And no, the table it has is not worth PvM'ing with if there is no higher reward for the risk. Nor would God Wars without God Drops.

13-Sep-2014 01:47:51

Formerly Joy

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As for trading post. I will not go into that argument. I've owned near maximum cash and third age pieces. About 30% of the trades I get in world one are players attempting to scam or lure me.

The Developers will find the answer to this. I also wish you would use facts in your arguments. They are heavily opinionated and offer little to debate to.

13-Sep-2014 01:49:58

Formerly Joy

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Apologies for 3 posts in a row. I am keeping on topic.

I am bringing this back up from Page-14. This is an ecstatic player expressing their interests in the future. If you are afraid of Spirit Shields being too over powerful, I'd advise you to think twice. Especially if your goal is to "create your own mark within the game in the form of an item."

With new PvM being introduced... Maybe YOU could be a player who suggests what that new rare item is. But, I've made it clear... If Dan follows through, it would be nice to be prepared for what is to come...and he means business.

Formerly Joy said :
Slay Helm said :
Formerly Joy said :
3.) Divine Spirit Shield kept as is, as well as the others. Mod Reach has expressed an interest in Elite PvM and Raids. When I say Elite, I do not mean Corporeal. Hell, even Nex would be the tip of the iceberg. Think of a boss that is grim to the bones and will hunt you down in its dungeon? Think of advanced AoE combat and minions, more advanced than Nex? Now reflect: Yes, we need higher tier gear to be ready for the future. If any item gets too strong, counter gear, consumables or other options can be added!

Omg stop it! You're getting me over excited <3333

This is the potential of the game. It is also heavily being held back by the poll system which multiple moderators have assured me is going to be addressed. The future of the game is more important than making a minor 24% happy.

Yes, the quote I gave is what the game has a potential to be. & Dan made a very heroic quote saying he's here to make a mark in Runescape history. I'm sure he will do what is best for Old School.

13-Sep-2014 01:52:49

27cass

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Dragoonhuntz said :
As for the

ultimate

variant of the iron man mode, I feel the rules are a bit wonky. I suggest:

1. Players can use the bank; however, on death all items are lost (banked or not).
2. Level downs in the form of experience decay (based on skill inactivity) and additional experience loss on death.
3. Players can use teleports normally. I do not feel that restricting teleportation adds challenge, merely game hours as walking from point A to B doesn't require skill, just time.
4. Yearly resets (like ladders). Players in this mode at the end of a season would be awarded and then downgraded to standard iron man accounts.

While I feel the above is by no means a comprehensive list and can be improved upon, it is a better starting place than the rules suggested and would create a highly competitive ladder. Feel free to critique

I do like the idea of a "yearly competition", but I don't think that should be left only for iron men, and I don't think any accounts should get reset.

Possibly they could make it so you could make a new account on or after Jan 1 2015 and enter your new account in the "annual competition" for the year, and you'd have one or two worlds reserved for people in that competition, and they couldn't trade or interact with the main OSRS universe until they left the competition. Separate HS lists and everything.

If they did do that, they should beef up the HS lists to track all sorts of things like quest points. And maybe have a "hall of firsts" for the first 100 accounts to do each quest, first 100 to kill each high lvl monster, first 100 to craft a law rune, etc.

Then do it all again on Jan 1 2016. I'd play that.

13-Sep-2014 01:54:51

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