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Space Karen
May Member 2023

Space Karen

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Nerfing dragonhide is the dumbest thing I have heard. Why come up with this nonsense so many years after their release? This is starting to look like EOC all over again. OSRS was supposed to be the game we used to love, and now you are changing core items like dhide? F the person who came up with that stupid idea, seriously.

23-Jan-2021 16:36:55

Iron Lukestr

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I’ve never made a post to the official forums before but after reviewing this update/nerf, I didn’t feel like I had a choice. I have played OSRS on multiple accounts throughout my life since I was around 9 years old (Almost 25 atm). I’m currently invested on my ironman account and I’d consider myself a med level ironman. Most of these updates/nerf are not considering ironman accounts that work insanely hard even for the toxic blowpipe. These updates/nerfs would drastically change the way that ironmen progress and play the game. Most of the changes would change the way that OSRS has always been played and the would change combat completely. You guys have a huge ironman community and those that have maxed mains or grown tired playing the “normal” account find ironmen accounts to play the game it was supposed to be played like. Please don’t ruin the mid level game as it has always been. I beg you, I love this game too much. If you’re worried about toxic blowpipes being too available to “normal” players, stop the botting. Please consider all the communities that this impacts and not just the “normal” player community. Thank you.

23-Jan-2021 17:03:16

Instazome
Mar Member 2022

Instazome

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Iron Lukestr said :
I’ve never made a post to the official forums before but after reviewing this update/nerf, I didn’t feel like I had a choice. I have played OSRS on multiple accounts throughout my life since I was around 9 years old (Almost 25 atm). I’m currently invested on my ironman account and I’d consider myself a med level ironman. Most of these updates/nerf are not considering ironman accounts that work insanely hard even for the toxic blowpipe. These updates/nerfs would drastically change the way that ironmen progress and play the game. Most of the changes would change the way that OSRS has always been played and the would change combat completely. You guys have a huge ironman community and those that have maxed mains or grown tired playing the “normal” account find ironmen accounts to play the game it was supposed to be played like. Please don’t ruin the mid level game as it has always been. I beg you, I love this game too much. If you’re worried about toxic blowpipes being too available to “normal” players, stop the botting. Please consider all the communities that this impacts and not just the “normal” player community. Thank you.

Yes you make a very good point: this really hurts midgame, even if the new drops of Raids 3 will allegedly fill that gap. The rhetoric that Blowpipe is "too easy to get" etc etc (ironic for ironmen..) is dangerous rhetoric because I know no one except endgame post-inferno folks who feel that midgame was easy. Not a single new player I introduced to the game made it through midgame, and that was even with the blowpipe/whip meta. If they are concerned about longevity, they really need to remember the importance of new players, a growing community, and an ENJOYABLE (rather than integrity-focused) midgame. If they are more concerned about appeasing post-endgame streamers etc., then they are welcome to do that--but I pray they choose the former.

23-Jan-2021 17:21:54

Instazome
Mar Member 2022

Instazome

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Punition said :
This nerf was long due. Be able to complete the whole game with a 3mil weapon are you kidding? Hello variety? You outdps max melee with addy dart this is totally normal. What the point to go for endgame goal like tbow and scythe when blowpipe tie in dps? You guys are delusional to kept it unchanged. Stop fooling around go make money instead of sitting on this garbage and buy yourself a tbow.

Please understand, Jagex, these are the only kind of players you are helping with this drastic nerf. Any casual player, the people who make for a growing community not a stagnant group of post-endgame 14-hour-a-day players, does not consider buying a tbow a reasonable goal. It's a longterm goal. 3.8m may be cheap for BP, but that is due to a separate issue: goldfarmers. Anyway, please don't cave to these types because if longevity is your goal, appeasing post-endgame post-inferno types is not the way.

23-Jan-2021 17:24:17

Instazome
Mar Member 2022

Instazome

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Unaging said :
It really doesn’t make sense to ruin and destroy all of the niche built accounts with thousands of hours work. If you’re proposing a tier rework. , why don’t you make it so these items will require higher strength level to wear but with the same attack level required. I just don’t understand how you will completely destroy a whole lot of 75 attack accounts without them even giving their opinion about this matter. Since you will also nerf blowpipe , these accounts will never be able to keep up with the main accounts dps , let alone boss properly . There is literally no other strength training weapon that can be worn in one hand except a dragon scimitar , since wearing any of the rapier/saeldor/ inq/ scythe will be taken away. I understand that other gear such as Twisted Bow will also have upper requirements but as we know that magic and ranged doesn’t affect combat levels much. Not only the nerfs will put these accounts to only being usable in pvp , also it will make it nearly impossible for these types of accounts to pvm except low defence level monsters that would be killable with a bludgeon or a blessed ss . One of the coolest quirks of this game is being able to create unique accounts based around a certain combat bracket. Pvp accounts do not only do pvp , or building certain accounts doesn’t have to mean they will have to pvp. But if this is 2021 and if you only put out 3 1 handed 75 tier weapons that can train strength other than the dragon scimitar , it is really unbalancing to take this feature away from these accounts. Please let us have our say , through a poll as this is only going to ruin so many accounts.

Nothing niche-oriented about a treadmill of discarded BIS metas... Please don't cater to these types, Jagex. They are concerned more about new metas than the fun of the game that most us casual/midgame players look for. Instead, choose to have a growing community, as it has been for almost a decade.

23-Jan-2021 17:26:30

Cheaky Devil
Nov Member 2014

Cheaky Devil

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Firstly, the whole blog is making me cringe, with words like 'meta' and 'powercreep' being
tossed around when there not even real English, totally unprofessional. The idea behind
equipment rebalancing is that it is totally lazy, for stretching and shrinking tiers and armors
has zero creativity, absolutely indolent panda vibes 100%. What we were used to is 78attack
tier from pvp weapons, to 80attack tier from chaotic weapons, not a 5-10level jump, and a
30% stat reduction to armors we know.

Secondly, cooking has been neglected for so long, we have weapons that can 2 hit 99hp, but
we do not have the food to contend with the weapons. We should have access to more
creative ways of healing such as combination eating, eating more than 2-3 foods at a time.
Foods that are intended to be eaten together, like eating a salad along side with a shark to
increase hp - Again be creative.

Lastly, since black dragon hide armor is so powerful, why not make 2 variants soft and hard.
Soft dragon hide armor is your proposed reduction but with the cost staying the same.
Hard dragon hide armor is the normal dragon hide armor today, but needs to have a rune chain body and rune plate skirt/legs behind it to have that risk involved and choice of better set up. * Have a crafting/smithing level requirment, or have Ozlaf make, or sell them.* The choice for lower risking players would be soft dragon hide armor and xeric robes, and hard dragon hide armor, and mystic robes for more experienced players who need seek the risk.

In conclusion, get back to the drawing board the whole thesis behind this blog is absolutely rushed and lazy, just because Framed made a youtube video does not mean you have to act with lighting speed, and have no time to think things through. You are ruining the work of others had worked on by minimalizing the assets you inherited.

Sincerly, a real veteran of the game, Runescape Classic to Rs2 to Eoc to Osrs. Been here longer than you I bet.
Ruthlesspvm

23-Jan-2021 19:05:26 - Last edited on 23-Jan-2021 19:10:19 by Cheaky Devil

Unaging
Oct Member 2020

Unaging

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i can see that you don't like the idea of these account builds , and hate the fact that they can compete with mains. I don't see any counter argument put up by you. I assume that you're a new player that doesn't like being crushed by lower levels. This game is based around the 2007 era of this game , and as they have stated nothing will be approved without it passing polls. Remember they polled like 2-3 skills and it never passed. It should definitely be polled for the integrity of this game. The 10.000 people who polled about this is not the whole community. If you're going to make a raids 3 , then release high tier equipment with it rather than making mid tier items , like what is the purpose of removing already approved content only to potentially replace it with a same tier weapon. Your max hit increases according to your strength level for each weapon. So why not make it like you proposed about dragon warhammer , and make items like ghrazi rapier and blade of saeldor require like 80 str or 85 str to weild along with it's 75 attack requirement. I just feel like having 80 tiers is purposely ruining many accounts that is built around the current meta.

23-Jan-2021 19:14:46

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