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Stout gedaan

Stout gedaan

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Dear Jagex,

Last days i saw the Equipment rebalancing post and i became very sad. This game was supposed to be the version the most of us enjoyed through there whole childhood. it wasnt voted so big for nothing.

All the updates that came through the last years were extremely amazing. The bosses the items etc. The only downside was the bots and goldfarmers. Why didnt you guys focus on that more then rather ruin the great content we get to love the last years.

NO NERF is NEEDED. keep it this way and rather focus on dead content/cheaters.

P.S: nerfs(Eoc) is quit.

23-Jan-2021 19:14:46

Cheaky Devil
Nov Member 2014

Cheaky Devil

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Cheaky Devil said :
Firstly, the whole blog is making me cringe, with words like 'meta' and 'powercreep' being
tossed around when there not even real English, totally unprofessional. The idea behind
equipment rebalancing is that it is totally lazy, for stretching and shrinking tiers and armors
has zero creativity, absolutely indolent panda vibes 100%. What we were used to is 78attack
tier from pvp weapons, to 80attack tier from chaotic weapons, not a 5-10level jump, and a
30% stat reduction to armors we know.

Secondly, cooking has been neglected for so long, we have weapons that can 2 hit 99hp, but
we do not have the food to contend with the weapons. We should have access to more
creative ways of healing such as combination eating, eating more than 2-3 foods at a time.
Foods that are intended to be eaten together, like eating a salad along side with a shark to
increase hp - Again be creative.

Lastly, since black dragon hide armor is so powerful, why not make 2 variants soft and hard.
Soft dragon hide armor is your proposed reduction but with the cost staying the same.
Hard dragon hide armor is the normal dragon hide armor today, but needs to have a rune chain body and rune plate skirt/legs behind it to have that risk involved and choice of better set up. * Have a crafting/smithing level requirment, or have Ozlaf make, or sell them.* The choice for lower risking players would be soft dragon hide armor and xeric robes, and hard dragon hide armor, and mystic robes for more experienced players who need seek the risk.

In conclusion, get back to the drawing board the whole thesis behind this blog is absolutely rushed and lazy, fix food, create two types soft and hard dhides. Do not ruin the work of others had worked on by minimalizing the assets you inherited.

Sincerly, a real veteran of the game, Runescape Classic to
Ruthlesspvm

23-Jan-2021 19:44:59

Steelman87

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My little brother just informed me that he and his friend were considering buying a year of membership for the first time, but after seeing this, they changed their minds. Congrats Jagex, your arrogance just cost you another couple of hundred of dollars. This is just the beginning.

23-Jan-2021 20:08:56

actofvalor24
Nov Member 2019

actofvalor24

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My take on the nerfing of black d hide and the dinh's bulwark is that they are getting nerfed just because pkers want free kills. I understand that they are very good for tanking especially for how cheap they are, but when pkers are using gear that are in lower tiers than those of black d hide and the bulwark I don't think they should be able to catch freezes or do an insane amount of damage almost every time. When I use the black d hide and bulwark combo pkers who use mystic and toxic staff of the dead usually can kill me when they catch a tb in about level 30+ wilderness. If the bulwark gets nerfed I believe it will be basically useless and going to hurt even more when players get it as a reward from chambers.

As far as making the requirement changes for some of the items I don't think that is a great idea either. People play old school because of the way they can make certain account builds and I believe it is wrong to have them change their accounts and ruin what they have spent a lot of time on.

I agree with the buffing of the lighter armors and the other useless weapons as they are basically only useful for alching right now.

I think the blowpipe problem is due to all the botting that was allowed to happen. The botting has contributed to the price to go way down because there are so many in the game. The fact that you have to keep spending gp to use it makes it really not as cheap as the 3 some million gp price tag makes it look. I do not think the blowpipe needs nerfed in dps.

I think overall no matter how you look at it old school is always going to run into power creep. The game isn't only about combat though. I think adding new combat content isn't really going to bring new players to the game, but it will help keep old players interested in it. There's a million things to do in game already and it's not a game you can really "beat" in a lifetime. To me power creep is in inevitable without turning into rs3. Actofvalor24

23-Jan-2021 20:19:00

PrinceAltoid
Jul Member 2020

PrinceAltoid

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First off, so other players understand what Jagex did: the survey was made on Twitter. To say that Twitter doesn’t represent the OSRS community as a whole would be an understatement, as Twitter is actually the OPPOSITE of the community most of the time. When you compare it to the forums and Reddit, Twitter tends to have the fewest responses and the most polarizing opinions. You’ll see 700 responses agreeing with something on Reddit, 550 on the forums also agreeing, and about 250 on Twitter disagreeing. Twitter was the worst possible platform to survey users for something THIS important.

Next, the actual changes. Here are the things I disagree with.

Neitiznot Faceguard: this item was DESIGNED around the idea of having BIS strength. Why nerf it when that’s what it was designed for? It was released with 1 strength over the Serp helm and inferior defensive stats. For roughly 20mil AND you can only get it from a slayer monster that’s a lot harder than most would think from a level 60 monster. Nerfing the helmet makes it obsolete compared to Serp helm, which is obtained from an easy boss, and making Basilisks easier to kill solves nothing because the price will have already crashed. Obsolete is an understatement, this nerf makes the Faceguard USELESS.

D’hide: I’ve seen some people agree that these were changes that were a long-time coming, and to a point I agree, but it is genuinely stupid to nerd pre-07 items this far into the game. You wanna tell me the integrity of the game has been harmed for this long? No, the game has been fine with d’hide as strong as it is now. Period.

23-Jan-2021 20:43:37

PrinceAltoid
Jul Member 2020

PrinceAltoid

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Blowpipe; again, this is a no explanation necessary thing. You’ve literally designed the meta for the last 6 years around this item, and now you want to nerf it to the ground. And it’s not even a proper nerf either, you just want it to be on-par with other things like ACB and DCB. That isn’t even an effective nerf, that’s just you wanting to play god. Most people would agree that yes, the item is overpowered, but at this point it’s a necessary evil. Plus, with your mentions about raids 3, it makes me think you just want to nerf the item so you can release something as strong as it in the future... what does that accomplish? High-ranked players who have already done the Inferno and have raided for billions of GP are the only people who can benefit from this, who have already used their blowpipe as much as they need to and can watch it be nerfed knowing they’ll be able to afford its replacement when it comes out. Mid-level players, however, are totally screwed and you’re doing nothing to help them by nerfing blowpipe. They won’t be able to afford its 100mil replacement, and they won’t be able to beat the Inferno or raids 1/2 without it, and will forever be left in the middle class. Sad times.

Think about the timing guys. RS2 came out in 2004 and EOC in 2012. OSRS came out in 2013 and these changes are being introduced in 2021. Jagex genuinely has an 8-year boredom timer that as soon as it goes off, they’re ready to screw with their players for no reason other than being bored. They’re doing the same thing here. Game-altering changes being unpolled despite 95% of users disagreeing with them. If this isn’t blatant evidence that Jagex hasn’t learned their lesson and will forever keep ruining the game after about 8 years, I don’t know what is.

Jagex learned nothing from the EOC, OSRS was a facade and Jagex has known for years that they were going to ruin it. Period. Them saying “the Inferno can be done without a blowpipe” is proof of their incompetence.

23-Jan-2021 20:53:16

CatsFTW

CatsFTW

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as we are talking about equipment, could us 1 defence pures, get some range armour sets please, oh and could the crystal bow please have a buff without the crystal armour thankyou.

i kind of want to do my infernal cape eventually with something and i cant do blowpipe anymore, so a crystal bow buff would be dope.

23-Jan-2021 20:57:48 - Last edited on 23-Jan-2021 20:59:03 by CatsFTW

PrinceAltoid
Jul Member 2020

PrinceAltoid

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Believe me, there’s no way for Jagex to weasel around this one. None at all. They keep citing the “integrity” of the game as a reason to not poll the changes of items that have existed for years. Unless they want to somehow try to argue that the integrity of the game has been ruined for the last 6+ years (a bad argument to try to make considering you’re still in business), then there’s literally no way out of this. The players who actually play your game and keep you in business disagree with these changes. The players are the ones who keep the integrity of your game alive in the first place. Who else is there to decide these things? To decide that you’ve been wrong for 6 years and NEED to immediately change something that’s existed in the game completely fine for the last 6 years? It makes no sense whatsoever.

It really does say a lot about how uncomfortable and unconfident Jagex is to make these changes by not polling them and using the excuse of “yeah well it would affect the INTEGRITY if we were to poll it and it failed!” How? How is the players who actually play your game deciding how it should be played going to affect the integrity and long-term health of the game? That isn’t for you to decide. These are the ones voting on changes that would decide whether or not they’ll renew their membership in the future. Are you trying to kill OSRS or something? If you are be honest about it, lies will get you nowhere.

Rethink these changes, Jagex. You can get over this hurdle by proving to the community that you HAVE changed and won’t implement such absurdity unpolled. Good luck.

23-Jan-2021 21:00:48

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