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Wild Buck
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Jagex members of the OSRS team & OSRS player community:
With grave concern for the ongoing health of Old School RuneScape, I ask that all who are passionate about the game take the time to read and consider this document in-full.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uodcnKMRZlYmh1r9osuyGN73PXAKM4pW_p_dklj851U/edit?usp=sharing

23-Jan-2021 21:06:57 - Last edited on 23-Jan-2021 21:26:42 by Wild Buck

The Deep Sea
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Item Teir changes make sense. Blowpipes nerf doesn't. What exactly are you trying to make way for with it? We have TBow, DHC, ACB, KCB etc...

I started playing this game because changers are community decided, no more EOC crap. After 3 years creating my ironman, I finally got the blowpipe and said "now I can finally play this game" if you nerf it I will probably quit. Its such an essential stepping stone to so much content from a boss that is actually one of the hardest in the game.

Comparing to RS3, we haven't even scratched the surface of power creep, as an example, godwars is still low kill count trips. Instead, controll your bot problem.

Poll or Quit.

23-Jan-2021 21:20:21

Ullrson

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Nerfing the blowpipe and d'hide is like slapping Ironman and midlevel accounts that don't have several mils in the bank.




Ps. Worry about the bots first so your in game economy can straight itself out before you worry about ways to discourage the players from playing the game. Poll it or leave it alone.

23-Jan-2021 21:37:50 - Last edited on 23-Jan-2021 21:41:38 by Ullrson

Torplex

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Part 1

At the start, I was actually kinda okay with most of the changes, but the more I think about it the more I hate the ideas, and I even started wondering if it's worth to keep playing anymore. If the osrs team is just going to make huge changes to the game that literally shits on the community, is it really worth it? Every month will be a gamble with both your money and time, because we'll know that any change can be made without us having a say in the matter.

To begin with, the new level requirements for weapons is fine I guess. I personally don't think it'll change anything, since there is no way in hell you can affort a Ghrazi Rapier at level 75 attack anyways. I find it hard to believe that there's anyone out there that is solo bossing with their combat stats under 80.


I can't really comment on the Neitiznot Faceguard. -1 str doesn't really seem like much, but at the same time, then why nurf it in the first place? I dunno, it might affects melee bis setups more then I think.


The -4 prayer for Twisted Bow also doesn't really seem like much. A bit faster prayer drain, but in no way enough to ruin any builds from what I know. So somewhat a pointless nurf, but it does indeed make a item a tiny bit worse then it was before.

By nurfing the d'hide and Dinh's bulwark you're making it even less safe for non PKers to go into wildy. So why the hell would you make non pvp content in wildy, and then make it harder and harder for non pvpers to survive/lose less gp on death?? That's incredibly stupid, and very poorly thought out. I mean, Ice barrage already connects to you 80% of the time with full black d'hide AND magic prayer on.. If this goes through, then if you see a white dot on the minimap, you might as well just leave your PC and go get a drink or to go the bathroom, cause there is no way in hell that you going to get away anyways.

23-Jan-2021 22:27:06

Torplex

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Part 2

I can understand the nurf of the blowpipe, but 3 thoughts here:
First, 50% accuracy and 33% damage is WAY to big of a nurf. Atleast to me, it seems like the blowpipe will become obsolite for pretty much everything there is to do in the game. Only useful thing will be the spec ability to get some health back, and even that is going to suck, since the less damage and chance to actually hit the enemy.

Second thought: If Jagex really deems it to be THAT OP, you should have fixed it a few weeks after release, not 6 freaking years later!!
Third thought: The blowpipe is only as accessible as it is because you allow that spot to be bombarded with bots. If something was done to that area, the price of the blowpipe would skyrocket, and the upkeep of the scales would make it too expensive for some players for them to use it, at least for certain bosses. Ergo, less people would use it, and therefore find other means to kill certain bosses.


I don't see much point in nurfing darts? You're already going to nurf the blowpipe to the ground, why also nurf darts?


Dragonbone Necklace & Bonecrusher Necklace feels is a "meh" upgrade. Fury will still be better in the majority in pretty much every situation. But I guess it's a nice upgrade if ya want prayer bonus over the extra damage.

23-Jan-2021 22:27:21

RhymeSlayers

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I just wanted to say when I saw the blowpipe nerf I was pretty sad because it hurts my 13def 50Attack account which ive been working hard on for many years on and off. It also hurts hundreds of players like me who wont be able to effectively pvm anymore because we dont have billions of gp for bis gear. I hope you leave the blowpipe untouched as its been a staple of the game for years now. Please reconsider your choices and think of a better solution to reach your goal of a better, healthier and balanced game, which I support.

Ps. Im a player who has never voted in an OSRS poll as I feel im too casual of a player to decide game changes, I just skill and do alittle pvm, but this... this made me feel like I had to add my voice. Lets have a good 2021 Jagex!

23-Jan-2021 22:27:44

Torplex

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Part 3

I can't comment on the crystal armour or crystal bow. I have never used and of them.


I don't think the warhammer update will affect anything. At the end of the day it's all about what gives the best dps output, so if the warhammer arn't getting buffed enough to surpace the rune scimi, then warhammers still wont be used, and therefore the work on tweeking them is wasted.


About the rune armor: "These 'heavier' armour pieces provide too small a bonus Ranged Attack negative to justify using anything else". I have never in all my years playing Runescape seen someone run around with a bow in their hand and full helm/plate on, NEVER. It might be a pvp thing, I dunno. But unless it's not a pvp thing, they this is a completely worthless up/downgrade.. -If something was to be changed, just completely remove the minus range bonus on the med/chain gear instead of nurfing fullplate.


At the end of the day, what matters most for future updates would be that the osrs content creators thinks carefully about what they are doing before doing it. That, or correcting a problem when it occures, and not 4-6 years later.


And doing something about the bot issue as well of course, since spots like Zulrah has clearly affected the amount of blowpipes/scales in the game..

23-Jan-2021 22:49:23

Torplex

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Torplex said :
Part 3

I can't comment on the crystal armour or crystal bow. I have never used any of them.


I don't think the warhammer update will affect anything. At the end of the day it's all about what gives the best dps output, so if the warhammer arn't getting buffed enough to surpace the rune scimi, then warhammers still wont be used, and therefore the work on tweeking them is wasted.


About the rune armor: "These 'heavier' armour pieces provide too small a bonus Ranged Attack negative to justify using anything else". I have never in all my years playing Runescape seen someone run around with a bow in their hand and full helm/plate on, NEVER. It might be a pvp thing, I dunno. But unless it's not a pvp thing, they this is a completely worthless up/downgrade.. -If something was to be changed, just completely remove the minus range bonus on the med/chain gear instead of nurfing fullplate.


At the end of the day, what matters most for future updates would be that the osrs content creators thinks carefully about what they are doing before doing it. That, or correcting a problem when it occures, and not 4-6 years later.


And doing something about the bot issue as well of course, since spots like Zulrah has clearly affected the amount of blowpipes/scales in the game..

23-Jan-2021 22:49:52

Naethera
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Since you are already suggesting weapon level increases, why not just leave the pray bonus from the twisted bow and set the level to 85+ instead?

The twisted bow is a high-end weapon for me, I have already wondered why it is portable from such a low level, regardless of price.

23-Jan-2021 23:33:23

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