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Emo Bee

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Voting no because of Rigour.

Ranged is already powerful enough. You're just trying to make magic a useless skill, destroying the price of runes along with it.

It's also worth noting this is an absolutely horrible poll anyway. You're neglecting the community. I didn't agree with the cerberus poll either. You're shoehorning in things alongside other updates. Do you really expect all or even a majority of the voters to read the dev blog?

DO NOT IMPLEMENT SAILING AS A WHOLE. ACTUALLY POLL THE THINGS YOU'RE PUTTING IN.

Do not poll sailing and then throw in augory, rigour, broken resource spawns, whatever else. Poll sailing and then poll everything individually.

"With sailing, would you want the augory prayer? (20% magic bonus 23% melee defense)"

"With sailing, would you want rigour prayer? (+20% ranged bonus +23% melee defense)"

"With sailing, would you like a new ( specific ore, fishing, whatever) area near a bank?"

Otherwise you are knowingly and purposely throwing things into the game that you know full well a lot of people wouldn't agree with.

13-Aug-2015 14:57:52

Ancient Rage
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Sailing!

This could be very exciting, or it could mess up everything.

One thing I'm really excited about would be if you could take your ship anywhere there is water. And I mean anywhere! Other players should be able to see you sailing off the coast of the desert, etc;.... It would be nice if Runescape could increase its draw distance...

Imagine rowing a smaller boat down the river lum when you see three smaller boats coming your way... SOMEBODY has to turn around!

But if you could bring smaller boats on the rivers, wouldn't that get in the way of the log canoes?

Anyway, exciting so far. Keep up the good work.

13-Aug-2015 15:19:04

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Can't really explain my thoughts on the sailing skill yet since we don't really know anything about it yet or what it has to offer.

I'm not too much of a fan for bringing back summoning in OS, but dungeoneering I would really enjoy to see as it was one of my favorite skills on pre-eoc. Chaotics right now at this point in OS probably wouldn't be right, but as I've seen in another comment posted here, augury and rigour would definitely be something I'd like to see (no defense requirements, can't remember if 70+ def was required or not before). I'd rather the ranging part of OS be focused on a ccb instead of an acb but it's a little too late for that. The bonecrusher being a reward for an elite diary task doesn't seem very fair to me (for the full prayer xp rate that is), I'd rather just dungeoneer for one.

I don't mean to mainly focus on the rewards of dungeoneering as a part of bringing it back, but the rewards were pretty nice. I would personally take part in the skill even if it wasn't for the previous rewards that it offered. I'm sure you guys can come up with suitable rewards on OS to offer for the skill.

13-Aug-2015 17:31:10

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Etrengereid said :
please do summoning and dung instead. Since the ideas, systems etc is already there dev it. I think old school runescape is just pre eoc. ofc feel free to balance the rewards of summ and dung so the polls pass. for me dungeonering was just a great skill to do. rushing trough the floors doing the puzzles in each room... hehe it was great. would have loved to see that again.

They said summoning is difficult because they would need an entirely new game engine and then way too much developing time. Not to mention, the game economy would be completely destroyed thanks to beasts of burden. Even if the Pack Yak was nerfed to hold half the supplies it provides in RS3, it would still make it possible for the most efficient people to camp bosses for twice as many kills.

Also, Dungeoneering really wasn't a skill. It was basically Stealing Creation, but PvM... and F2P.

As for Sailing, though, I see the potential it has to flesh out other skills like Smithing or Firemaking, but I feel like there are better, more practical skill ideas OSRS could implement like Speechcraft that could add a new dynamic to the game and improve upon other skills while using things already in the game. I mean, we talk to NPCs, all Jagex would need to do is flesh out NPC interactions, maybe make it possible to persuade the Lumbridge Cook to get his own ingredients or convince Highwayman Jimmy at the Draynor crossroads that you're poorer than the dirt he sleeps in. I don't know, I'm just saying random stuff now.

Anyways, Sailing, maybe. Summoning and Dungeoneering, please no.

13-Aug-2015 17:43:19

Skilled Boof
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i was against it but they cleared up most of the issues i had with the skill.

Sailing sounds much better then before. with those questions about PvP and it not being like a minigame makes the skill sound much more appealing. can't wait for this to be polled. voting yes for sure


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13-Aug-2015 18:16:56

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I wanted to go through and identify some ridiculous points against Sailing I'm seeing. Disclaimer, my personal stance is that we should not form hardline decisions until Jagex provides more detailed information.

"I'm voting no because Sailing is a joke" or "lol no"

These aren't actually valid opinions during polling, but I suppose logic doesn't really apply to you if you're using this as a reason to vote against it.

"I'm voting no because Jagex should implement Summoning/Dungeoneering/etc. instead"

While I understand the argument you're trying to make, this is not logically sound for two reasons:

1) Jagex has specifically outlined the fact they do not want either of these skills present in OSRS, at least for the time being.

2) The addition of one skill and the addition of another are not mutually exclusive; vote on Sailing as Sailing, not in comparison to other random features.

"I'm voting no on the entire skill because * feature doesn't appeal to me (e.g. the prayers)"

Jagex is likely going to poll almost everything separately, and it's up to the community to pick and choose which features we want. Stop dismissing the entire skill because of one tiny piece you don't agree with.

"I'm voting no because we need to expand/fix existing content first"

If Sailing passes, Jagex is hiring new developers to take that project; this means that all other work (e.g. Firemaking improvements, fixing splashing, etc.) will remain exactly on schedule regardless of whether Sailing passes a poll or not.

13-Aug-2015 18:35:00 - Last edited on 13-Aug-2015 18:36:20 by Rancor

Well Said
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Angel2D4 said :
Rancor said :
Angel2D4 said :
And you're leaning toward (or outright) voting yes without information to be able to determine the potential damage to the old game.

Gosh, some of this community.

My stance at the moment is "let Jagex flesh this out more before disregarding it". If it turns out the skill doesn't feel right I'll certainly vote against it, but I think that people who have already formed a full negative opinion based on almost no information are doing everyone a disservice.

Yet you want to criticize me for saying I'm leaning more towards no because they didn't follow thru on their statement that we'd get more specific info early this week (and I'm not putting a question mark because it's a rhetorical question).

They said we'd get a dev blog early this week that offered more specifics on sailing. They lied. The only thing this blog offers is answers to questions already answered on reddit and twitter.

Fool me once, shame on you (I took them at their word that more info would be provided early this week, and it wasn't) fool me twice, shame on me (I don't believe they'll offer additional info on Friday as this blog says they will because quite frankly, they lied in the last one and there's no reason to believe they're telling the truth now).

Integrity son. Integrity.

you're just really damn offended that they haven't released a little more information, aren't you? why would you let that govern how you're going to vote on the poll? maybe they're trying to make sure they include *everything* they need to or want to. maybe they're taking the time to do it right. have some patience.

there is no reason for you to lose so much of your trust and call them outright liars just because they might be a little delayed. there could be a lot more reason that you don't know for them to delay the dev blog. just chill

13-Aug-2015 18:44:26 - Last edited on 13-Aug-2015 18:56:48 by Well Said

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