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Totalxq

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Lay off with the new stuff, I want to play the runescape I liked and I know all of you guys are probably going "OH THIS LOOKS AWESOME I WANT IT ***** EVERYBODY WHO DOESNT THINK LIKE ME!" but you guys are just voting to change this game so much that its not oldschool anymore, its just a different version of runescape with earlier graphics. GF prices for other level 70 weps and get ready to see the duel arena and other stuff flooded. I thought jagex had it right with this stuff up until now... You all will respond with your hate on me covering for the new items saying that you love them but what you are really doing is making your favorite game go down the drain a second time. So say what you want. Really. But take my opinion into consideration for I fear the demise of my favorite game (used to be).

10-Jun-2015 07:46:31

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MrBoss

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RIP sarasword, i dont think that the abby 2h should be introduced, we already ahve a sarasword for strength training, this just means that 2 we have 2 weapons that do the same thing but one is better than the other causing ones price to crash.

10-Jun-2015 14:35:57

Im Nate

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Formerly Joy said :

Facts for anyone interested. By, Woox the infamous PvM'er.

As you can see. Not only in a basic set up does a 30K Dragon Dagger have a higher DPS output, but it also has a higher potential to combo higher hits. The Abyssal Dagger desperately needs an upgrade. That said, the damage is confirmed fine by Ronan. So we must seek a higher accuracy and a lower drain rate.

Otherwise, this weapon isn't anything special. We will only crash the Abyssal Whip markets by releasing the Sire. No one will truly value the Bludgeon, or Dagger in their current state.

A simple +50% Accuracy and 30-35% Drain Rate will 100% fix the daggers under powered issue. Adding these by no means overpowers the dagger. It will be left in perfect balance and will revive Hybrid PvP. Pure bliss.

Woox said :
I've compiled some data in case anyone is interested. Formulas used in the following calculations are taken from the unofficial Combat Formulas thread .

Assuming the following PvP gear setup:
Helm of neitiznot
Fire cape
Amulet of glory
Dragon defender
Fighter torso
Rune platelegs
Barrows gloves
Dragon boots
Ring of recoil

All calculations assume that you're using super combat potions, piety, maxed stats and is doing a fight against a mirror opponent.

You just keep embarrasing yourself. Woox's post shows how the abby dagger is better. You're using an example showing you are wrong to try and prove your point. I don't know how much dumber you can get. You have lost all credibility, your posts show lack of any reasoning or understanding.

Woox's post along with Ronan's state that the abby dagger is more accurate and you state your lack of knowledge - "I can't calculate the accuracy" - and spew this nonsense that a dds is better. Maxed Sept 24th, 2015 - 134th to max

10-Jun-2015 15:43:19

Im Nate

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I will show an example of how much better the abby dagger is.

We'll do a few scenarios, pking gear, torso, str ammy, firecape, rune legs, etc and full dh, firecape. In both of them it is maxed players 99 att vs 99 def, potted, piety, aggressive stance.

It is definitely better than dds, but worse than ags, I don't think it should be as good as ags, ags is already too good we don't need more weapons as good as it.

1. dds(78 stab 83 str) Abby dagger(113 stab 118 str) Ags(145 slash 169 str) against normal rune edge gear (208 def).
Chance to hit 50+
Dds - 1.5%
Abby dagger - 3.3%
Ags - 13.2%

2.dds(78 stab 76 str) Abby dagger(113 stab 111 str) Ags(145 slash 162 str) against dharok(316 def).
Chance to hit 50+
Dds - 0.7%
Abby dagger - 2.4%
Ags - 9%

After looking at these results I wouldn't mind a slight accuracy increase but not a lot, it needs to remain worse than ags. Maxed Sept 24th, 2015 - 134th to max

10-Jun-2015 16:31:14

Formerly Joy

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Nate,

I hold full credibility. I am challenging the Abyssal Daggers hit probability along with its KO potential; in regards to high damage output. When you begin to exceed 60 damage the Abyssal Dagger begins to show where it extremely falls behind the rest.

The Abyssal Dagger 100% needs the +50% accuracy added. I also believe the Drain Rate should be lowered. Without KO potential, and no accuracy to hit these low DPS combos, the Abyssal Dagger is to be labeled a lackluster, underused PvP tool. It has been left too far behind its real potential.

A small adjustment to the accuracy and reconsideration of the highly punishing Drain Rate could fix this. Again, my argument comes into play when I state this weapon has little to no KO potential. Only a slight increase in probability to hit, but at extremely lower increments.

It would be much more suitable to have the accuracy to hit these low combos. It would be much more suitable to be offered an addition Special Attack, or one on standby at 35% drain rate.

10-Jun-2015 16:44:03

Formerly Joy

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This alone, fully highlights the credibility of my arguments.

Again, the Abyssal Dagger is a low DPS weapon. They are making it in hopes to become a combo powerhouse. Without accuracy it fails to live up to the job. The Abyssal Dagger has a slightly higher probability than the Dragon when it comes to hitting a low combo. When it comes to 65+ the Dragon Dagger begins to prevail. Not only this, but the AGS completely mocks the Abyssal Dagger in every single aspect combined having an overwhelmingly higher probability in almost every step of the way.

This can be combated! ADD ACCURACY. 50%. This, however, will not change the fact that it is highly under powered to the AGS and other options. To keep it slightly more up to par, adding a lower drain rate as well will turn the Abyssal Dagger into one of the best Hybrid weapons in game.

Im Nate said :
1. dds(78 stab 83 str) Abby dagger(113 stab 118 str) Ags(145 slash 169 str) against normal rune edge gear (208 def).
Chance to hit 50+
Dds - 1.5%
Abby dagger - 3.3%
Ags - 13.2%

2.dds(78 stab 76 str) Abby dagger(113 stab 111 str) Ags(145 slash 162 str) against dharok(316 def).
Chance to hit 50+
Dds - 0.7%
Abby dagger - 2.4%
Ags - 9%

After looking at these results I wouldn't mind a slight accuracy increase but not a lot, it needs to remain worse than ags.

10-Jun-2015 16:49:09

Formerly Joy

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To anyone still baffled and confused. A sumarry:

We're not asking for a weapon that hits 100 damage. We're asking for a moderate DPS weapon that includes a high hit probability. This is so that it hits at all. So that it is actually worth considering over the AGS. The AGS and a few other options still remain highly superior after my rework, but the Abyssal Dagger will surely be the kinder price tag.

+50% Accuracy
& 30-35% Drain Rate

That is all it needs. The chance to actually combo. Not "luck based." This should be a weapon known to combo. They asked for a PvP weapon. Here's the chance to invent the Hybrid's Dagger.

10-Jun-2015 16:52:20

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I Am Defil3d

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Dragon dagger has +25% accuracy and 15% damage. Adding 25% to your universal accuracy gives it a better edge than your Abyssal Dagger?

Regardless... If those laughable calculations are correct. You have about a 1-12% chance to hit a LOW combo. When do you ever see a main Spec'* out by dragon dagger? It's like 1 in 100 fights. Do you really think abby dagger is usable?

Oh and it's divided into 2 hit splats. Anyone with eyes will eat right through the damage. The abby dagger is currently pathetic! It harshly needs accuracy and I think doubling the dragon daggers to 50% is appropriate. Especially considering it has lower damage output. The drain rate I agree with too. It's supposed to be a pvp weapon not a useless one.

I can easily see the dagger and bludgeon becoming useless in pvp. Underused and crashed to an easy to buy price. Still no one would use it. The only outcome we get is a new and fun boss that crashes the abyssal whip market, adds a pet, and possibly crashes sara sword.

Cool? Accuracy, now. I want to PK with this. But I can't if it's a piece of sh-...junk.

10-Jun-2015 17:27:03

Formerly Joy

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Hi my name is Joy and I just bought a Dragon Dagger (p++) in the Grand Exchange for 28,000 GP. Better invest all my money in them, because Abyssal Dagger is obviously inferior in every single way.

28K.

Yes, 28 freaking K. For a Dagger that is in almost every way better than the Abyssal Dagger. It barely lacks any probability under the Abyssal. For what it lacks it makes up for in the higher probability to hit 65-86 damage.

If you don't add 50% accuracy and lower the drain rate to 30-35% the Abyssal Dagger is but a downgrade of the Dragon Dagger. For slightly less than 30K, and always dropping in price, the Dragon Dagger will forever remain the better option.

Hi, I'm Joy btw.

10-Jun-2015 17:36:36

Formerly Joy

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Frost,

I agree the Abyssal Sire is threatening the Abyssal market as a whole. The Abyssal Whip does not need to become more common. I also believe that if the Abyssal Bludgeon and Abyssal Dagger become under powered, both weapons will become "farm for sale drops." They won't have any respectful value.

AGS is all around better in every way. Dragon Dagger is better in many ways too. The Dragon Dagger comes with a 25% Drain Rate, a higher DPS for better KO potential, and a higher probability to hit 65+. The Abyssal Dagger offers a underwhelming low combo potential. Without accuracy, the Dragon Dagger is superior. Especially when I restate the final perk it offers over the Abyssal Dagger. Dragon Dagger can be bought between 25-30K and is always on the steady drop.

The Abyssal Sire is offering us nothing positive. Do you think we're making this up? How many complaints do you see about the Cerberus? NONE! We obviously know when to give due credit, but I believe there is none to give for the Abyssal weapons. The Abyssal Sire boss as is looks fantastic, but if it has no good to offer I don't want it.

10-Jun-2015 17:50:14

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