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Xavathos
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Dilbert2001 said :
From the latest Superdata report on video game sales:

"As the free-to-play business model continues to take mindshare in the industry, publishers seem more open to significantly lowering unit prices for catalogue AAA franchises in order to expand the player base. EA’s Sims 4 and Take-Two’s NBA2K19, two franchises that benefit immensely from add-on content purchases, both saw huge spikes in unit sales after prices were brought down below $5."


https://www.superdataresearch.com/worldwide-digital-games-market/

Of course, free-to-play is dominating the marketplace as MTX drives their growth. Everybody and their moms are cutting price on,or even totally removing, box purchases and subscription has turned from single game to monthly subscription of a big basket of games like EA Origin and Google Stadia and such. That means MTX is even more important for a single game to survive.

Of course, we players vote with our wallets and guess who was the King of video game revenue last month we voted for?

Drum Roll.... Of course it i the heavily MTX, particularly loot boxes "infested" FIFA 19 followed by CoD: Black Ops 4.


That doesn't say anything about RuneScape though and doesn't mean things can't be different here. Different game, different setting, different people with different habits. Just because FIFA is infested with MTX, doesn't mean we should just throw in the towel. If enough of us think this is a problem, then voting with our wallets will work, better than any outside laws or regulations, barring of course the completely unlikely outcome of a straight banning of the practice of selling "surprise mechanics".
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13-Aug-2019 08:07:38 - Last edited on 13-Aug-2019 08:08:32 by Xavathos

Dilbert2001
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It doesn't show the spending of just a couple of forum users. It doesn't show the revenue of just one company. It clearly shows the data from the BIG PICTURE, the VIDEO GAME INDUSTRY. And the world's consumers clearly voiced their opinion with their wallets.... against pay-to-play games. They only pay when they want to pay but not when somebody forces a retail box fee or subscription to a single game on them. :D :D :D

BTW, Jagex's own players also voiced their opinions with over £24 mil last year just from spending on TH and Runecoins. They pay, they say. :)

13-Aug-2019 15:04:15

UrekMazino
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Uh oh, FTC hearing reveals shady business between greedy greedy game publishers and social influencers! Seems like there have been multiple cases of manipulating odds and not revealing sponsorship to viewers!

https://www.polygon.com/2019/8/7/20758974/ftc-loot-box-panel-streamer-publisher-sponsorships

Game publishers: Lets reveal the odds of lootboxes so we can get the government off our asses.
Also game publishers: Lets alter the perception of the odds of lootboxes to trick younger and more susceptible players into making poor decisions!

1 step forward 2 steps back. Well, it wasn't really a step forward in the first place as player behavior doesn't change much even with the knowledge that they're getting a raw deal.

https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2019-08-07-consumer-advocates-to-esrb-ftc-loot-box-odds-disclosure-is-not-enough
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14-Aug-2019 15:17:41

Dilbert2001
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UrekMazino said :
Uh oh, FTC hearing reveals shady business between greedy greedy game publishers and social influencers! Seems like there have been multiple cases of manipulating odds and not revealing sponsorship to viewers!

https://www.polygon.com/2019/8/7/20758974/ftc-loot-box-panel-streamer-publisher-sponsorships

Game publishers: Lets reveal the odds of lootboxes so we can get the government off our asses.
Also game publishers: Lets alter the perception of the odds of lootboxes to trick younger and more susceptible players into making poor decisions!

1 step forward 2 steps back. Well, it wasn't really a step forward in the first place as player behavior doesn't change much even with the knowledge that they're getting a raw deal.

https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2019-08-07-consumer-advocates-to-esrb-ftc-loot-box-odds-disclosure-is-not-enough


You are way too late. Somebody tried to "discuss" about it with a video but not a single word quoted from that video already.

Look here: Quick find code: 366-367-206-66046266

Page 39, Post 7 and my response on Page 8. Obviously, Jagex did not hire streamers to open loot boxes and I mentioned it is actually good news Jagex doesn't do that because it shows they are advertising entertainment and adventures in their games. It just shows Jagex is more ethical than some game developers. :)

14-Aug-2019 16:43:54

UrekMazino
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Lmao, runepass was canceled due to being a disappointment but little did Jagex know, they could've milked the hell out of whales like EA are doing right now!

https://www.ea.com/en-gb/games/apex-legends/news/iron-crown-collection-event-august-2019

It's gonna cost an absurd $170 AND time gate? It's a 2 for 1 special!
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16-Aug-2019 14:46:46

Dilbert2001
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UrekMazino said :
Lmao, runepass was canceled due to being a disappointment but little did Jagex know, they could've milked the hell out of whales like EA are doing right now!

https://www.ea.com/en-gb/games/apex-legends/news/iron-crown-collection-event-august-2019

It's gonna cost an absurd $170 AND time gate? It's a 2 for 1 special!


Very often the same product works differently for different games.

Remember Jagex's RunePass? Did they sell it for $170 each? I am sure if players were happy to buy RunePass for $170 each Jagex would still be selling it.

Now you have to look into what the $170 Apex players are paying for their Pass comparing to Jagex's RunePass. Jagex did not spend time developing content for RunePass but Apex (and Fortnite too) developed content for their Season Passes. Seriously, who would pay Jagex $170 only to bust their tails off doing the same old xp grinding for 2 weeks?

You also have to look into what different communities want. If they don't want Season Pass, then they won't buy it and the company has to scratch it. For instance, CoD is also removing Season Pass in their upcoming Modern Warfare:

https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2019-05-31-call-of-duty-modern-warfare-eliminates-season-pass-so-how-will-it-fund-dlc

16-Aug-2019 18:44:31

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Draco Burnz said :
Fire Hawk154 said :
I hope to see the day this crap is removed from the game.


Yea I don't see that happening.

People didn't see MTX happening prior to it did either, yet it still happened, so MTX could be removed just as well as it was added. After all, MTX isn't something that's larger than life; all it'd take to remove it is for Jagex to remove its code from the game's source code.
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17-Aug-2019 12:48:39

Draco Burnz
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Sharp-shin said :

People didn't see MTX happening prior to it did either, yet it still happened, so MTX could be removed just as well as it was added. After all, MTX isn't something that's larger than life; all it'd take to remove it is for Jagex to remove its code from the game's source code.


Yea I see jagex removing one way the make profit right quick....

Plz think before posting.
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