RuneScape Forum Archive | Law to end TH :)

Jun

2006

Dilbert2001

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UrekMazino said :
Tabacco and Alcohol have existed for many centuries, even millennia before any legislation were in place, for US at least.

Lootboxes in comparison are so much newer, yet we've made this much progress already. This is pretty much break neck pace in comparison.

Wait a century more then. FTC and the likes are still promoting self-regulution of these industries over governments actions and have been for the last 40 years. Shrug! Nothing new other than the good old parental control and self regulations.

03-Jun-2019 15:44:52

Jun

2006

Dilbert2001

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Barnabis said :

If this bill gets voted into law before the 2020 election, I'll be surprised. I might actually break down and give 500 gp to the first gold beggar I see! (that is a huge deal, normally I cap out giving only insults to gold beggars and maybe 5gp if I'm in a good mood)

https://www.polygon.com/2019/5/23/18637155/loot-box-laws-us-senate-josh-hawley-ed-markey-richard-blumenthal

You totally misinterpreted the opinions of Polygon if you think they think they support that Bill or think it will pass.

On the contrary, they questioned the legitimacy of that bill, and how the free market will even bothered by it.

"Lawmakers’ first attempt to regulate loot box mictrotransactions, in the Hawaii state legislature, died in committee, after all. So let’s also consider that something with bipartisan support might also attract bipartisan opposition. I’d be interested to know how Rand Paul, for example,

feels about this regulation of a free market

. Or what the Republican senators of Texas and Florida, Republican states with Republican legislatures that give tax breaks to EA studios developing Ultimate Team features, might say as well."

"This guy was trying to be a good parent; he was also trying to do a good job, knowing how much it depended on beancounters’ happiness with the bottom line NBA 2K generated. But once willing sellers became aware of willing buyers, there was no putting this genie back in the bottle.

“Given that they control the money, and they spend a lot of it,” he said, “you think we can change the medium?”

And “they” didn’t mean his bosses. “They” meant the kids."

Silly rabbit, what they actually mean is the governments can't change the free market. First Amendment also prohibited regulation of creativity anyway. And the market doesn't want to be changed. Silly rabbit, games are for kids!

03-Jun-2019 15:51:00

Oct

2015

Barnabis

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Dilbert,

This bill is not removing any possible future creativity for Treasure Hunter. Treasure Hunter can continue to exist in its current form just with the removal of being able to buy keys. Players can continue to earn free daily keys and keys being earned from D&D's, Quest completion, Key Tokens from monster drops, etc. While it is still gambling, the "pay-to" part of "win" feature has been eliminated making it fully legal by a future American Law.

Additionally, IF TH was removed, the prizes can continue to be created and produced as they currently are. They can also be added to the game via non loot-box mechanics like RunePass where you can opt-into for a flat rate and earn a controlled amount of XP, GP, and Items.

This bill is not totally prohibiting loot boxes. Adult games (Game of Thrones, Walking Dead) can have full loot box "pay to win" features. This will fall into the fold of games that are not to be sold to children that include graphic violence, nudity and offensive language. Jagex 2019 New Year Resolution... MTX our customers until RS3 SERVER SHUTDOWN PARTY!

The RS3 Community is treated like RUBBISH due to constant TH promotions.

Don't buy keys on Treasure Hunter, if you do Jagex will only make more TH promotions

04-Jun-2019 21:46:29 - Last edited on 04-Jun-2019 21:48:42 by Barnabis

Jun

2006

Dilbert2001

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Barnabis said :
Dilbert,

This bill is not removing any possible future creativity for Treasure Hunter. Treasure Hunter can continue to exist in its current form just with the removal of being able to buy keys. Players can continue to earn free daily keys and keys being earned from D&D's, Quest completion, Key Tokens from monster drops, etc. While it is still gambling, the "pay-to" part of "win" feature has been eliminated making it fully legal by a future American Law.

Additionally, IF TH was removed, the prizes can continue to be created and produced as they currently are. They can also be added to the game via non loot-box mechanics like RunePass where you can opt-into for a flat rate and earn a controlled amount of XP, GP, and Items.

This bill is not totally prohibiting loot boxes. Adult games (Game of Thrones, Walking Dead) can have full loot box "pay to win" features. This will fall into the fold of games that are not to be sold to children that include graphic violence, nudity and offensive language.

You know, the problem of the Silly Rabit Games Are Not For Kid bill is MTX, not just loot boxes. Nobody is going to remove MTX from their games. Literally, Hawley really doesn't care about gambling, he just want parents to dictate what their kids play and pay. They even asked for a one-click-erase-all-kid-info button as exposed by the original source - Variety (although the other journalists selectively did not report the key point).

Obviously this bill doesn't affect Jagex much as 98% of their players are adults and I doubt too many of the remaining 2% live in the USA. It is a pretty much nothing bill for TH. WHy should Jagex remove TH when Bond is the biggest pay-to-win feature the Bill is going after?

04-Jun-2019 23:38:02

Oct

2015

Barnabis

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Runescape is hosted on servers in the United States, Jagex advertises and markets the game in the United States. It is similar to how the UK was able to fine google for a lot of their shady business practices. Just because google is incorporated in the United States doesn't mean they can ignore the rules in the UK where they market and distribute their services.

There can be sanctions placed on Jagex banning the game from being accessed here. Of course a lot of customers will find ways to get around that via VPN's and such, it will still cause major problems and most customers would just switch to another game then go through all that.

I'm expecting Runescape 3 to be made for 18+ or Jagex to ditch the loot boxes before risking sanctions. One way or another, they will fall into compliance with US laws, we are the majority of their customers. Jagex 2019 New Year Resolution... MTX our customers until RS3 SERVER SHUTDOWN PARTY!

The RS3 Community is treated like RUBBISH due to constant TH promotions.

Don't buy keys on Treasure Hunter, if you do Jagex will only make more TH promotions

07-Jun-2019 03:10:07

Jun

2006

Dilbert2001

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Barnabis said :
Runescape is hosted on servers in the United States, Jagex advertises and markets the game in the United States. It is similar to how the UK was able to fine google for a lot of their shady business practices. Just because google is incorporated in the United States doesn't mean they can ignore the rules in the UK where they market and distribute their services.

There can be sanctions placed on Jagex banning the game from being accessed here. Of course a lot of customers will find ways to get around that via VPN's and such, it will still cause major problems and most customers would just switch to another game then go through all that.

I'm expecting Runescape 3 to be made for 18+ or Jagex to ditch the loot boxes before risking sanctions. One way or another, they will fall into compliance with US laws, we are the majority of their customers.

What sanction? Sanction against an individual company?

You keep making up invisible "laws" won't make them actual LAWS. As already clearly mentioned numerous times already, there is no problem for many video game companies marking their games M or even R if it was needed. GTA is doing that, CoD are doing that in many of their titles. Oh, you keep forgetting only 2% of Jagex's players are under 18. Why does it bother Jagex if they had to make their games Mature even if needed? Besides, why can't they just explore other lucrative international market... just like what they are doing now already?

07-Jun-2019 16:44:04

Aug

2023

UrekMazino

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Dilbert2001 said :
UrekMazino said :
Tabacco and Alcohol have existed for many centuries, even millennia before any legislation were in place, for US at least.

Lootboxes in comparison are so much newer, yet we've made this much progress already. This is pretty much break neck pace in comparison.

Wait a century more then. FTC and the likes are still promoting self-regulution of these industries over governments actions and have been for the last 40 years. Shrug! Nothing new other than the good old parental control and self regulations.

Have you been reading my posts at all? I've been saying the regulation on lootboxes have been moving at breakneck pace. Why would I need to wait a century when things are already in motion? °l||l° Modest Skillers T7 Citadel | Skilling clan recruiting players. °l||l°
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10-Jun-2019 11:59:20

Jun

2006

Dilbert2001

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UrekMazino said :
Dilbert2001 said :
UrekMazino said :
Tabacco and Alcohol have existed for many centuries, even millennia before any legislation were in place, for US at least.

Lootboxes in comparison are so much newer, yet we've made this much progress already. This is pretty much break neck pace in comparison.

Wait a century more then. FTC and the likes are still promoting self-regulution of these industries over governments actions and have been for the last 40 years. Shrug! Nothing new other than the good old parental control and self regulations.

Have you been reading my posts at all? I've been saying the regulation on lootboxes have been moving at breakneck pace. Why would I need to wait a century when things are already in motion?

What "breakneck" pace? Do you mean broken-neck pace? Like there were 4 loot boxes bills last years with 2 senators raiding the ESRB office last year but only one senator sitting quietly in his office while disguising his data protection bill as anti-MTX (read anti-MTX not just anti-loot boxes) bill?

10-Jun-2019 15:57:01

Aug

2023

UrekMazino

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You can Google what breakneck pace means if you don't understand it. Or maybe Google some history about regulations such as tobacco, alcohol, food, drugs and medicine etc. And see how long it took the US government to implement regulations on them.

Greedy companies were putting saw freaking dust in their food until the FDA was founded and regulations were put in place. And it took years of the poison squad poisoning themselves before it was implemented.

Lootboxes on the other had, are moving at a much faster pace. °l||l° Modest Skillers T7 Citadel | Skilling clan recruiting players. °l||l°
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11-Jun-2019 05:40:24

Jun

2006

Dilbert2001

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UrekMazino said :
You can Google what breakneck pace means if you don't understand it. Or maybe Google some history about regulations such as tobacco, alcohol, food, drugs and medicine etc. And see how long it took the US government to implement regulations on them.

Greedy companies were putting saw freaking dust in their food until the FDA was founded and regulations were put in place. And it took years of the poison squad poisoning themselves before it was implemented.

Lootboxes on the other had, are moving at a much faster pace.

LOL! What a joke trying to first trying to falsely claim "I've (You, Urekmazino've) been saying the regulation on lootboxes have been moving at breakneck pace." but after being exposed they 4 bills last years have only been reduced to only one this year with people calling Senator Hawley out for publicly stunt and laughing at his empty reactions at the world comments on "zero chance for that bill to pas"... you resorted to your usual it takes a long long time for regulations to process. What a break-neck joke!

11-Jun-2019 16:05:57

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