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Dilbert2001
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Dulcis Nex said :
Probably because I pay a lot of attention to news in the UK.

Would you like a list of scandals? They were criticised for their stance on lootboxes, but that is nothing compared what they let high street bookmakers get away with. I can dig up a list, just ask.

Firstly, I said allegations of corruption... As with every bit of rot in the UK government it is under a layer of polish. They let large companies get away with unethical and questionably legal practices (but as the regulatory authority they write the definitions, it is also their choice to pursue legal action... or not), but how do they benefit? I expect a parent company of a parent company of an investment company holding shares in a company (that profits from poorly-regulated gambling) in an invisible trust of a civil servant or ex-civil servant who just happens to work in...
Of course there is never any proof as trusts do not have to declare anything, least of all their trustees.
But I'm getting off topic.

You mean you cherrypick definitions from one of the few national gambling regulatory bodies that backed up your view. OK.
Also here is more recent statement from the UK Gambling Commission... and 15 others.

https://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/pdf/international-gaming-and-gambling-declaration-2018.pdf

Of course this "declaration" is nothing but hot air, but it seems they realised they cannot pretend lootboxes and similar are not gambling.


Don't you realize on this page, post 5, I already told you the verdict of the UKGC among the 15 other countries regarding loot boxes?

"We've not in any way, in the survey, referred to it (loot box) as exposure to gambling," a Gambling Commission spokesperson told GamesIndustry.biz."
:D :D :D :D :D

15-Feb-2019 17:02:41

Dilbert2001
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What's in your "entire post"?

You accused UKGC of "corruption" but provided no proof.
You even wrote "But I'm getting off topic."


Of course, I am going to ignore pointless accusation that is getting off topic. :D :D :D

I already quote UK's response and stance in removing the blurr line between video game and gambling, and that is... drum roll...

"We've not in any way, in the survey, referred to it (loot box) as exposure to gambling," a Gambling Commission spokesperson told GamesIndustry.biz."


Nodoby came out of the 15 EU country coalition to say a word against TH. TH is not gambling according to UK, Washington State, 15 other EU countries, plus Ireland who explicitly mentioned they are in no position to even question loot boxes a gambling because it is e-commerce. :D :D :D

15-Feb-2019 19:10:23

UrekMazino
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Never RIP said :
This thread should be closed because its opening topic is a quote.

It could be completely out of context. I don't know what they're talking about.

Is it too much to ask for you to click on the quotation link to get some more context?
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16-Feb-2019 01:05:21

Dilbert2001
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UrekMazino said :
Never RIP said :
This thread should be closed because its opening topic is a quote.

It could be completely out of context. I don't know what they're talking about.

Is it too much to ask for you to click on the quotation link to get some more context?


Never RIP is absolutely correct. Merely showing links to non-Jagex sites without even showing us what are in the links and not even making a comment about the links make me NOT even bother to click these SUSPICIOUS links.

16-Feb-2019 15:47:30

Dulcis Nex
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Dilbert2001 said :
You accused UKGC of "corruption" but provided no proof. You even wrote "But I'm getting off topic."
I was rambling, doesn't mean it's not relevant since you're using their definition of what is and isn't gambling.

Meanwhile China, South Korea, Belguim and several American states say lootboxes/chance-based rewards from microtransactions are gambling. Other countries, such as Australia, are investigating them and have expressly said they are looking to classify them or have ongoing court cases. It doesn't look promising for companies that have such as a large portion of their revenue streams.

Dilbert2001 said :
"We've not in any way, in the survey, referred to it (loot box) as exposure to gambling," a Gambling Commission spokesperson told GamesIndustry.biz.
Well I did say the statement from the UKGC was hot air, but the fact they needed to release a statement specifically about them says a lot.

Also your reading comprehension is terrible or you're just not used to evasive responses such as this. Because that sentence means "We're not saying anything either way to cover our arses". They haven't said lootboxes aren't gambling.
You'll get it when you deserve it.

17-Feb-2019 03:06:04

Dilbert2001
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What? Just that I said UKGC said loot box is not gambling doesn't mean that's MY definition. It is obviously UK's definition. :D :D :D

China clearly said loot box is not gambling. It is crystal clear because according to the rule of their Communist Party, the only gambling allowed in the country is State run lotteries with the exception of horse racing in Hong Kong and licensed casinos in Macau. :D

S. Korea also never said loot box is gambling. Do you know almost all kinds of Korean video game companies like Nexon have loot boxes and gambling is also prohibited in Korea. :D

Belgium only said certain loot box is gambling, but not all of them. They even said Pokemon games are not gambling because they don't have Cristiano Ronaldo as their spokesman. :D :D :D

Which "several American states" said loot boxes are gambling? Please specify. Only Wahshington said gambling doesn't have to have real money involved, but it doesn't mean all games of chance is gambling, and that definition doesn't only pertain to video games.

Australian have already concluded their research months ago. They said long ago (more than a year ago) by the law of their Victoria Legistration, loot boxes are gambling but not illegal gambling. In fact in their eSafety official website, they called them "gambling simulations" and can actually used as a substitutes to defer children from going to real casinos. :D

UK already said TH is not gambling because Jagex doesn't allow any of their pixels to be cashed out of the game.

"According to the UK Gambling Commission, since the prizes unlocked in loot boxes are usable only in the games in which they're won, and can't be cashed-out, they don't fit the bill for "licensable gambling activity."
:D :D :D

https://www.ign.com/articles/2017/11/25/uk-gambling-commission-determines-loot-boxes-arent-gambling-under-british-law

17-Feb-2019 03:44:03

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