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Dulcis Nex
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Dilbert2001 said :
Dulcis Nex said :
Dilbert2001 said :
"Gambling" is very different from illegal gambling.
Don't see where anyone said it was illegal.


Don't see where I can only make my comments in reply to somebody else's.

Thanks for your comment, anyway. :D
You can PM them instead of posting on a forum :D
Or quote their message as an indicator. But that would be hard since nobody said TH is illegal.
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13-Feb-2019 20:44:01

Dilbert2001
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Dulcis Nex said :
Dilbert2001 said :
Dulcis Nex said :
Dilbert2001 said :
"Gambling" is very different from illegal gambling.
Don't see where anyone said it was illegal.


Don't see where I can only make my comments in reply to somebody else's.

Thanks for your comment, anyway. :D
You can PM them instead of posting on a forum :D
Or quote their message as an indicator. But that would be hard since nobody said TH is illegal.


Are you questioning my right of posting my comment under the right thread in the right forum? If yes, please us Forum Help. Otherwise, I have no further comment on this. Thank you for your comment again. :D

13-Feb-2019 21:08:14

Dulcis Nex
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Dilbert2001 said :
Dulcis Nex said :
Dilbert2001 said :
Dulcis Nex said :
Dilbert2001 said :
"Gambling" is very different from illegal gambling.
Don't see where anyone said it was illegal.


Don't see where I can only make my comments in reply to somebody else's.

Thanks for your comment, anyway. :D
You can PM them instead of posting on a forum :D
Or quote their message as an indicator. But that would be hard since nobody said TH is illegal.


Are you questioning my right of posting my comment under the right thread in the right forum? If yes, please us Forum Help. Otherwise, I have no further comment on this. Thank you for your comment again. :D
ofc not I am questioning why you are so mad someone replied to you under the right thread in the right forum

Also waiting to see who said it was illegal. I'll keep on waiting :D
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13-Feb-2019 21:59:42

Dilbert2001
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The UK Gambling Commission said loot box and therefore TH is not gambling:

"We've not in any way, in the survey, referred to it (loot box) as exposure to gambling," a Gambling Commission spokesperson told GamesIndustry.biz. "The reason we've asked that question is that it's a very popular subject matter and we want to try and make sure that we have as much information and data around it as possible."


However, betting between friends such as staking in Duel Arena is gambling:

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What the Commission's report actually found was that the most common gambling activities are making private bets with friends
, National Lottery scratchcards, slot machines and playing cards for money with friends. Even were the report to conflate online gambling with loot boxes, which it does not, online gambling rates are relatively low. "


https://www.pcgamer.com/the-uk-gambling-commission-has-not-connected-loot-boxes-with-gambling/

So if you are really concern about "gambling" in any Jagex games, be aware that the UK governments have no issues on TH. However, be advised to think twice about staking your Twisted Bow for your friend's whip in the Duel Arena. :D

13-Feb-2019 23:20:37

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Dilbert2001 said :
The UK Gambling Commission said loot box and therefore TH is not gambling:

"We've not in any way, in the survey, referred to it (loot box) as exposure to gambling," a Gambling Commission spokesperson told GamesIndustry.biz. "The reason we've asked that question is that it's a very popular subject matter and we want to try and make sure that we have as much information and data around it as possible."


However, betting between friends such as staking in Duel Arena is gambling:

"
What the Commission's report actually found was that the most common gambling activities are making private bets with friends
, National Lottery scratchcards, slot machines and playing cards for money with friends. Even were the report to conflate online gambling with loot boxes, which it does not, online gambling rates are relatively low. "


https://www.pcgamer.com/the-uk-gambling-commission-has-not-connected-loot-boxes-with-gambling/

So if you are really concern about "gambling" in any Jagex games, be aware that the UK governments have no issues on TH. However, be advised to think twice about staking your Twisted Bow for your friend's whip in the Duel Arena. :D


I hope you remember...was it "Squeal of Fortune" or was it TH, where many parents argued and complained to Jagex that one of those two were forcing their children into gambling. In the end Jagex ended up having to do something about it. For some reason I feel it could happen again, if not in the near future then possibly in the far future.
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14-Feb-2019 19:16:39

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I hope you remember...was it "Squeal of Fortune" or was it TH, where many parents argued and complained to Jagex that one of those two were forcing their children into gambling. In the end Jagex ended up having to do something about it. For some reason I feel it could happen again, if not in the near future then possibly in the far future.[/quote]

I hope you remember... "Sequel of Fortune" or TH used the same random reward mechanics as all the other loot boxes in other games. It won't matter at all. They are still being called "loot boxes" as a whole by every governments, UK Gaming Commission included.

I hope you remember... This thread is "Is Treasure Hunter gambling", not what you think will happen to Sequeal of Fortune", will it happen again, or in the near or far future. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

14-Feb-2019 22:33:58

Dulcis Nex
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The UK gambling commission is well known for being ineffective and reluncant to regulate gambling when it should be. They will take legal action against underworld gambling, but when it comes to big companies making money they will not stop questionable practices. This has led to allegations of corruption.

Tell me Dilbert, what is it like to live in your mind? To look through statements from national gambling regulatory bodies from around the world until you find one that fits your viewpoint?
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15-Feb-2019 15:46:42

Dilbert2001
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Tell me Nex is Life, where do you find the UKGC "well known for being ineffective and reluncant tto regulate gambiling when it should be"? And why doesn't anybody just report them for "corruption"?

We are here talking about whether TH is gambling. We look for definitions from different people in the world, not just you or a few other who try to find a couple of posts to fits your viewpoint.

15-Feb-2019 15:53:15

Dulcis Nex
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Probably because I pay a lot of attention to news in the UK.

Would you like a list of scandals? They were criticised for their stance on lootboxes, but that is nothing compared what they let high street bookmakers get away with. I can dig up a list, just ask.

Firstly, I said allegations of corruption... As with every bit of rot in the UK government it is under a layer of polish. They let large companies get away with unethical and questionably legal practices (but as the regulatory authority they write the definitions, it is also their choice to pursue legal action... or not), but how do they benefit? I expect a parent company of a parent company of an investment company holding shares in a company (that profits from poorly-regulated gambling) in an invisible trust of a civil servant or ex-civil servant who just happens to work in...
Of course there is never any proof as trusts do not have to declare anything, least of all their trustees.
But I'm getting off topic.

You mean you cherrypick definitions from one of the few national gambling regulatory bodies that backed up your view. OK.
Also here is more recent statement from the UK Gambling Commission... and 15 others.

https://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/pdf/international-gaming-and-gambling-declaration-2018.pdf

Of course this "declaration" is nothing but hot air, but it seems they realised they cannot pretend lootboxes and similar are not gambling.
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15-Feb-2019 16:49:04

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