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4A6F6B6B75 said :
Whether something should be done or not is always a matter of opinion. First you assess if it's possible, then if the pros outweigh the cons. We believe that with partyhats on treasure hunter this is the case. Your point, "just because something is possible, doesn't mean it should happen", is well known amongst us.
Let me remind you before going further that Runescape is not an adult-only rated game; it's also targeted for underage players. With that in mind, Treasure Hunter is a gambling service that you can play with real money. We can argue all about whether it's a legally defined gambling service or not because "you always win something", but the fact remains that you can pay money for a chance to get something you want, but there's absolutely no guarantee, which is why "normal" gambling is regulated to protect the children from getting addicted to that.

As such, Treasure Hunter subjects said vulnerable players to gambling addiction, and you mean to tell me that it's worth it, so that more people can wear a pixel hat on their pixel character? What exactly even weighs it to be worth it to do this in your eyes? Is it a popularity contest? Do you believe that quantitatively more people would be pleased than not? If so, that's not exactly a good measure: people don't always vote for what's objectively better, but rather what interests them personally. That's why Jagex changed the polling system for example: from 50% yes required to pass to 75% yes, to reduce the likelihood of personal interest passing over greater good.


4A6F6B6B75 said :
Partyhats should be rereleased, because sharing the fun with others is showing great responsibility.
Sharing the fun by default is generosity, not responsibility. Sometimes you're due to share the fun, e.g. if you were paid to do it and you agreed to do it, but that's not the case here.
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29-Dec-2018 23:32:20

Whatusaytome
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All in all, I'd like a better reason to disagree with the many suggestions available. I don't think a randomly winnable life changer would make many players upset.

I also don't think with how few would realistically be won by this that the market is at a risk, and I think they are overpriced and overpowered in their market at the moment and that they should be reasonably lowered, or increased slightly in supply, to strengthen the market available to the current playerbase.

About Jagex never commenting, They could just be waiting for a plausible theory to show up. I would love to hear their current stance, but they probably won't say anything.

I do see them as a holiday item, but last I heard was they at Jagex decided on untradeable items as rewards because they didn't want to make the same mistake again. And holiday items still remain untradeable.

Not to mention the new game they made, OSRS, has a fairly long experience with their modern day system where they are now rereleasing all holiday items, that as far as I can tell has been successful in popularity among players and what they like about that game.
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29-Dec-2018 23:54:47

Whatusaytome
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Sharp-shin said :

Greetings, Whatusaytome!

*snip*: benefits can be both immediate and delayed. Jagex might get an immediate benefit by selling out something that people want right now, but typically that is at a detriment to their long term profits.

For an MMO to survive, it needs long term players; long term players need content to play, but also reassurance that the company (Jagex) cares about the long term health of the game, and thus about its loyal players. *snip* where it's no longer worth playing.

Partyhats in their current state have as such become like a layer of foundation to the game; while they remain as they are, people are reassured that Jagex hasn't become desperate enough for money by selling them out. *snip for space* ..most likely the Chinese pushing harder for quick cash grabs, and thus people would start abandoning the game.

So, to summarize: Jagex might be able to get more cash in the short term by selling out stuff like partyhats as MTX, but they'd lose more cash in the long term from decreased membership sales. Sorry sir, last I checked, the long term players you speak of, like you and me and Draco and kalea and jokku all are, are all fully capable types who may fund their entire membership through bonds. Because we are just good at the game.

Bonds, which often get bought from Jagex by players with real money to spare, just trying to advance quicker because they don't have the same spare time we had to do everything. Even vets buy bonds and will still support the game they play.

About the sellout thing, if they were to be considered sellouts for this, and not what they do with Bonds, buying straight up wealth. I'd call the new quitters hypocrites. Like I said, I don't think a new, additional option for a life changing prize here is going to make people mad.

I don't think any of the current suggestions will do this extreme harm you keep describing. I see so many benefits long term.
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29-Dec-2018 23:56:41 - Last edited on 30-Dec-2018 00:29:22 by Whatusaytome

Kalea Sprite

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Sharp-shin said :
So, to summarize: Jagex might be able to get more cash in the short term by selling out stuff like partyhats as MTX, but they'd lose more cash in the long term from decreased membership sales, from people losing their trust in Jagex's ability to maintain the longevity of the game.
Greetings, Blackwing!

Your analysis was interesting but, your view neglects Jagex's other initiatives and updates that have rendered your view inaccurate.

1. They have released the Rainbow stuff a few times, there were a couple time windows where you could get the Zodiac stuff, etc. That suggests that they would be profiting from releasing stuff periodically in limited time frame windows. Which means that Partyhats on Treasure Hunter would allow Jagex to periodically open limited time windows where they may increase their sales over the long term.

2. The Crown of Loyalty is more effective for encouraging people to maintain their membership in comparison to the Partyhats. Consider that you don't need to pay for a membership to have a Partyhat but, in order to maintain the Crown of Loyalty players are encouraged to maintain their memberships.

That means that the Crown of Loyalty is more effective for maintaining memberships.

Thus, the Crown of Loyalty is better for maintaining memberships but, Partyhats on Treasure Hunter is an excellent idea because it allows Jagex to periodically open limited time windows where they may increase their sales over the long term.

So, supporting Partyhats on Treasure Hunter is the right thing to do because it will help Jagex strengthen their funding so they will be able to hire more people to develop more awesome updates for everyone to enjoy! :D 'o.0'
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30-Dec-2018 00:01:14 - Last edited on 30-Dec-2018 00:41:20 by Kalea Sprite

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Sharp-shin said :
4A6F6B6B75 said :
Partyhats should be rereleased, because sharing the fun with others is showing great responsibility.
Sharing the fun by default is generosity, not responsibility. Sometimes you're due to share the fun, e.g. if you were paid to do it and you agreed to do it
First, I think it's appropriate to note that if people are experiencing personal problems such as addiction, then they should acknowledge the problem and seek professional help in the real world. This is a game, it's not a medical facility as far as I can tell so, they should seek professional medical help in the real world.

Secondly, Partyhats on Treasure Hunter is a multiple win idea, both Jagex and the players win simultaneously:

+ Jagex strengthens their funding for the future and they may hire more people to for future game developments;

+ Jagex also gains an opportunity to better balance the game because flip/merch/investing of Partyhats is overpowered and it must be nerfed;

+ the players benefit because they will be able to enjoy all the awesome updates that the funding from Partyhats on Treasure Hunter helps strengthen;

+ many more people will be able to share the fun of the Partyhat parties and this is, of course, the spirit of the game and the cheerful merriment of the holidays! :D

So, supporting Partyhats on Treasure Hunter is both generous and responsible because it helps balance the game, strengthens funding, everyone may share the enjoyment of the Partyhat parties, and everyone may enjoy the awesome updates long into the future! :D

Partyhats on Treasure Hunter is a simultaneous multiple win for everyone! :D

And it's the right thing to do!

WOO-HOO! :D 'o.0'
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30-Dec-2018 00:27:47 - Last edited on 30-Dec-2018 00:30:01 by Kalea Sprite

Draco Burnz
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4A6F6B6B75 said :
Treasure Hunter can be seen as gambling, and real money can be used to participate, but it's not gambling with real money. There is no way to win real money; you spend real money on keys, and receive something in-game for your account. All money will be gone for good. It's very good that kids learn that. Read also Kalea's reply.

This is coming from the person who obviously supports this "gambling" by wanting to add to it ;)
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30-Dec-2018 22:34:59

Sharp-shin

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4A6F6B6B75 said :
Treasure Hunter can be seen as gambling, and real money can be used to participate, but it's not gambling with real money. There is no way to win real money; you spend real money on keys, and receive something in-game for your account. All money will be gone for good. It's very good that kids learn that. Read also Kalea's reply.
Like said, semantics can be argued endlessly, but I'm not interested in that. What matters is that regular gambling has very similar, if not the exact same addictiveness as gambling in Treasure Hunter: the feeling of desire to get something that's up to random chance. Both types of gamblers can get so addicted to it that they don't care if they win something they want; they'll just want more and more. Needless to say that getting addicted like that and the financial loss that inevitably follows isn't at all healthy. Kids should learn that danger, but not by experiencing it themselves; yet, as long as loot box systems like Treasure Hunter go unregulated, they'll learn when it's too late.

(Btw, I've found that +1's tend to lead to endless circles, so I'd rather use my time more productively than that; I hope you understand going forward.)
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30-Dec-2018 23:54:04

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