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Kale100

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Transcendent said :
I would treat Jagex as the authority on this matter since they make the game, and go with Jagex's definition.


Which is!??!???!

Holy mother of god...there really needs to be a reading comprehension test to enter the forums.

11-Nov-2017 03:36:30

Ghosttalon
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It really does look like they benefited from using what was the common knowledge conception of a rare. Before a few years ago, it would have been exactly what Kale is saying -- a limited-time holiday item that was then discontinued.

Why else would there be these arguments on forums (this is by no means the only thread on this topic), or the feeling of ill will towards Jagex, if they had been clear about what they were doing a few years ago when they started hyping the release of new "rares"?

Don't you suppose that was the motivation for this thread -- since Jagex themselves have never been straightforward and forthcoming about what it is they're doing here, or provided a new definition to match? Because it is looking like if they had provided a new definition/explanation of "rare", that directly contradicted historical expectation, these new "rares" wouldn't have garnered the interest that they did.

They scammed their players with this one. And that's low. Even for them.

Y'all are arguing over pedantic definitions with OP, whilst ignoring context. Is it any wonder he's frustrated and angry? I, myself, facedesk reading through this one.

11-Nov-2017 04:36:59

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Jagex has said unless they say something is discontinued they may bring it back. And even discontinued items I don't think they say will never be brought back, and instead say something along the lines of there are no plans to re-release those items at this time. Hi.

11-Nov-2017 10:37:49

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By chance, do you have those quotes? Because if you have a reference, and a new definition has been given, that's pretty much the easiest way to end this.

May not be the answer many want, and it remains dirty and slimy imo, because I'm pretty sure when they broke their original promise and released new "rares" there was no discussion along these lines. We just would've assumed that "rare" = "discontinued", because of historical context.

Best policy since they were bought out is, don't believe a word they say. Because it will all change on the whim of the investors and how much money they smell.

TBH, I don't care about rares. If they re-released the old untradeable ones I'd laugh pretty hard at all the whining and moaning over the loss of players' "status symbols". Just like there was in OS, when players realized "tradeable rares" weren't going to be what they were.

11-Nov-2017 13:51:28

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To be fair, in OSRS players voted for there not to be any high value for holiday items, players wanted them to be fun items released every year and frequently to be the fun items originally intended and not a way to gain wealth just by holding them.

Jagex did explain discontinued items VS items which are not discontinued in the past, but I am not sure those posts are on the forums any more, and the change in investors and ownership of RuneScape has caused policies to change over time so I am not sure an older quote would be relevant anymore even if I could find one.

The best definition of a discontinued item is taken from the forum specific rules of the Discontinued Items sub category in the marketplace.

This forum is for buying and selling RuneScape discontinued items, so items that you can't get through gameplay anymore.


Though the general understanding of players is these items will never be released again or obtainable through gameplay, to my knowledge there are no promises from Jagex they will never release these items again, and when asked generally say they have no plans to re-release those items, leaving the possibility they could re-release them at a future time, even if it seems unlikely they will ever do so.

Jagex to my knowledge has not said they will not ever bring back discontinued tradeable holiday items from banned accounts, or re-release them in the game ever, but recent plans for bank bidders where rares were going to be brought back from banned accounts was scrapped due to player feedback asking Jagex not to bring items back from potentially botted accounts.

While the idea of bank bidders was scrapped, it did show a willingness of Jagex to bring back tradeable discontinued holiday items from banned accounts.

There was also a poll to bring back non tradeable holiday items which passed meaning a majority of players wanted it, I'm not sure if that was scrapped due to negative player feedback or if it may still happen.
Hi.

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Qwis7
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Kale100 said :
Transcendent said :
I would treat Jagex as the authority on this matter since they make the game, and go with Jagex's definition.


Which is!??!???!

Holy mother of god...there really needs to be a reading comprehension test to enter the forums.


I do not understand why you still ignore the fact that the community was just assuming that Rare items are discontinued.
Jagex never confirmed that rare items are discontinued items.

They did bring back rare items, but the items that are labeled as a discontinued items are still not returned.


In the end it all doesn't matter because Jagex is a company and all that matters is money :P .

12-Nov-2017 09:42:45

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I feel you're doing a lot of dancing around the issue up there Transcendent, not to put too fine a point on it.

-- Not sure what OSRS "rares" has to do with the RS3 situation. Other than I'm glad the playerbase voted as they did, to not repeat what was widely acknowledged by Gowers and a historical generation of Jmods, as a mistake.

-- Bank bidders is perhaps relevant, but if so, it's still a tangent for purposes of this discussion. Bringing back items from rule-breakers' banks would not have been at all the same as a re-release.

-- The Discontinued forum, is just that, for discontinued items. How many tradeable items do we see going up on there that are being re-released? (This actually isn't rhetorical. I don't frequent that forum, so I don't know.) That also doesn't help us decide whether old "rares" (=discontinued, think Santas, Phats, Easter eggs, Pumpkins, etc etc) will be returned. I'd say they probably won't be, but hypothetically, what if they were? Would that forum just be changed to "rares" (in the sense of a new definition).

The takeaway message for me from your lengthy post is that we're still left wondering what Jagex's official stance is on "rares" and "discontinued items" in 2017.

Hence, the thread.

12-Nov-2017 15:49:18

Ghosttalon
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Qwis7 said :

I do not understand why you still ignore the fact that the community was just assuming that Rare items are discontinued.


The relevant question to ask yourself here is, "Why was this assumption made?" That is a rhetorical question, btw. If you've played RS for longer than a decade, the answer is a no-brainer.

Qwis7 said :

Jagex never confirmed that rare items are discontinued items.


And nor did they disconfirm it, or say anything different. Hence OP's assertion (and I agree) that they took advantage of their paying customers by hyping the items as "rare", which if one knows the history of the game, one would have to admit was at the very least associated with the term, "discontinued".

Qwis7 said :

They did bring back rare items, but the items that are labeled as a discontinued items are still not returned.


Well, if they can change their minds on releasing what they call "rares", simultaneously changing the meaning of the word as readily understood by players from historical context, and taking advantage of the confusion to make a lot of money, what's to stop them eventually releasing "discontinued" items? Actually, this seems to be a topic percolating in various threads on these forums right now. People are horrified by the possibility. I don't really sympathize. But the only reason it's even a topic at all, is because of the confusion generated by the release of items termed "rare".

I do not actually think old, tradeable, discontinued rares will be brought back. Why? Because my gut tells me that an analysis would tell them that would likely lose them more money than gain from players who would quit over it.

Qwis7 said :

In the end it all doesn't matter because Jagex is a company and all that matters is money :P .


And this is the only statement you got spot on.

12-Nov-2017 16:01:07

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Assuming is a dangerous thing.

If you assuming you got more land because you always got that part it doesn't mean you really own that land.
You have to look at the papers and that confirm if you own it or not.
A fence doesn't confirm things.

We got the same thing here we all assume that rare items are discontinued but you have to ask Jagex if rare items are discontinued or not.
So far rare items are not discontinued and discontinued are discontinued.

So?

12-Nov-2017 16:10:16

Ghosttalon
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Qwis7, you went to great lengths not to address any of the very clear points that I made. If you have to dance around that much to make your point, and avoid addressing the points of others, then you probably don't have a point worth making.

Similarly, if you're not going to address the discussion directly, I see no benefit in continuing to try to answer you. I can't even make sense of most of what you just posted.

The only thing I can really get out of it is that you don't think players should've made assumptions about a term all of us, players and Jagex alike, used consistently for the better part of a decade before new "rares" were released. You can argue that "up" is "down" too, and that makes no more sense.

12-Nov-2017 21:31:57

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