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Qwis7
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Ghosttalon said :
Qwis7, you went to great lengths not to address any of the very clear points that I made. If you have to dance around that much to make your point, and avoid addressing the points of others, then you probably don't have a point worth making.

Similarly, if you're not going to address the discussion directly, I see no benefit in continuing to try to answer you. I can't even make sense of most of what you just posted.

The only thing I can really get out of it is that you don't think players should've made assumptions about a term all of us, players and Jagex alike, used consistently for the better part of a decade before new "rares" were released. You can argue that "up" is "down" too, and that makes no more sense.

I indeed did say that player never should have assume that rare items are discontinued items.
I did try to explain this to you with a real life example.

Yes saying that rare items are discontinued items is the same as saying that up is down.
Rare items are no discontinued items and discontinued items are discontinued items.

You can try to say that we all assume that they were discontinued a long time, but that still doesn't make them discontinued.

The only way to make rare items discontinued is when Jagex confirms that rare items are discontinued items.

13-Nov-2017 08:29:00

Qwis7
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If you murder some one and most people assume the murdered person is still alive then that person is still not alive after some time.

If Jagex made a new rare item and most people assume that it was a discontinued item then its still a rare item and not a discontinued rare/discontinued item.

13-Nov-2017 08:35:33 - Last edited on 13-Nov-2017 08:36:50 by Qwis7

Kale100

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Qwis7 said :
The only way to make rare items discontinued is when Jagex confirms that rare items are discontinued items.

It is perfectly arguable that they have indeed done so, in the case of rubber turkeys. They were allowed to be traded in the discontinued item forum, unlike things such as Gem Capes, Mimic Capes, etc. That is an affirmation that they were indeed discontinued.

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On another note, I thank Ghosttalon for his thorough and level-headed explanation of the matter.

13-Nov-2017 19:32:44 - Last edited on 13-Nov-2017 19:34:17 by Kale100

Qwis7
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Kale100 said :
Qwis7 said :
The only way to make rare items discontinued is when Jagex confirms that rare items are discontinued items.

It is perfectly arguable that they have indeed done so, in the case of rubber turkeys. They were allowed to be traded in the discontinued item forum, unlike things such as Gem Capes, Mimic Capes, etc. That is an affirmation that they were indeed discontinued.

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On another note, I thank Ghosttalon for his thorough and level-headed explanation of the matter.

This proofs something indeed!
If they are really allowed into the discontinued item tab for all that time( not just some days/weeks).

But never assume that rare items are discontinued without some real confirmation form Jagex.

Because telling that rare items are discontinued items is just same as saying:
I have a about 1k+ money in real life and you only have about 100.
Basically creating fake hope.

13-Nov-2017 19:55:02

Kale100

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Yours is an inherently self-defeating argument. If we cannot assume a word to mean it's definition, than we cannot seek confirmation from Jagex through words (because we would then have to assume the definitions of the words used). Our only recourse is to seek confirmation through action. Turkeys were allowed to be traded in the discontinued items forum: Action-based confirmation achieved.

14-Nov-2017 07:44:15 - Last edited on 14-Nov-2017 07:44:44 by Kale100

Qwis7
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Kale100 said :
Yours is an inherently self-defeating argument. If we cannot assume a word to mean it's definition, than we cannot seek confirmation from Jagex through words (because we would then have to assume the definitions of the words used). Our only recourse is to seek confirmation through action. Turkeys were allowed to be traded in the discontinued items forum: Action-based confirmation achieved.

Not really I still keep saying that only Jagex can confirm if rare items are discontinue items.
I never did say how!

But so far rare items are no discontinued items.

The only thing I see is that you guys try to get the older items on a different way then just paying a lot of money in my opinion.

14-Nov-2017 16:43:55

Transcendent

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This post from another thread seems relevant to the topic.

I do agree Jagex needs to be clear if an item will or may ever be re-released or not.

Original message details are unavailable.

The rares market is crazy and hectic at the moment. All rares have been experiencing an accelerated decline in prices ever since you made the announcement to re-release the Rubber Turkeys. In addition, Mod Krista made a vague statement regarding a potential re-release for rares in the future. The damage has already been done and I'm not here to complain about this.

All that I am requesting from you, Jagex, is that you be more transparent for intended future purposes on announcements for Holiday events or Treasure Hunter promotions. I am not here to argue and complain whether you should or shouldn't re-release rares, but rather to point out that YOU need more clarity in your choice of wording when it comes to releasing 'rares' or limited edition items. I understand you never stated 'discontinued status' under the announcement for the newer Christmas rares. However, you stated a specific amount to be released under a limited amount, which a vast amount of players implied it to be discontinued. This misunderstanding/miscommunication is unacceptable. Seriously, it only takes less than a minute to type one additional sentence in the announcement that this 'limited edition' item or rare will be discontinued and will not be returning in the future 3 years later. It's absolutely absurd.

Please, listen to the voices of your players. We want transparency! Just take a look at the numerous forum threads under the item discussion forums section for discontinued items regarding this topic. Jagex, please hear us out.

If you could please reply to me with a simple statement regarding this topic, it would be highly appreciated. Thanks. Hi.

15-Nov-2017 03:36:00

Qwis7
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Its really easy but somehow people still ignore it or try to bend it and hope they release old discontinued items someday?

A rare, new rare or any items without the word discontinued can return.
A discontinued rare or override can not return.

15-Nov-2017 16:00:46

Qwis7
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Kale100 said :
Qwis7 said :
Not really I still keep saying that only Jagex can confirm if rare items are discontinue items.
I never did say how!

Then please, elaborate. What would constitute Jagex confirmation that an item is discontinued?

Just typing the word discontinued before or after the word rare is a option.
Confirm that it is a discontinued item with words.

I still do not understand why it is so hard to see that a rare isn't a discontinued item.

You can not just assuming things a judge wont accept a thing is you just assuming something so why should why?

We need proof and so far you can not proof a thing that a rare is a discontinued item.
So until you can proof that a rare is a discontinued item yes a rare and not a discontinued rare we just say:
A rare is not a discontinued item.
A discontinued rare is a discontinued rare.

15-Nov-2017 16:08:35 - Last edited on 15-Nov-2017 16:08:46 by Qwis7

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