RuneScape Forum Archive | What is a tradeable rare?

Transcendent

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Ric Oshay said :

He didn't need to define it. The definition was implied and understood by anyone that has played the game for 8+ years. Maybe that's the issue: noobs who don't know any better feel the need to argue and (try to) look smart.

He's not asking the wrong question. You all are obfuscating. Read the thread.

Rare may have meant the same thing as discontinued to players in the past, but it no longer does to anyone who has been paying attention.

If Jagex says an item is limited or rare, but doesn't say the item is discontinued, it may become available through gameplay again in the future.

And if you are really paying attention, Jagex was willing to bring back discontinueds from banned accounts with bank bidders before it was cancelled, and Jagex could still bring discontinued items back from banned accounts or re-release them.

Even discontinued does not mean an item will never be released again, it simply means you can not currently get it through gameplay, not necessarily that it will never be obtainable through gameplay ever again in the future, even if there are not any current plans to do so. Hi.

18-Nov-2017 15:06:46

Ric Oshay

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Transcendent said :
continued irrelevant crap

Bank bidders: not relevant. Cancelled. Not the same thing as a re-release in any case.

Keep arguing. Whatever.

We older players probably should've realized something was "off" when they started releasing so-called "rares" again anyway. If you were really paying attention that was something a certain group of mods said would never again happen back in the day.

But that was then. Before investors took over. Before a new bunch of employees who don't give a crap. It's all about their greed now.

So yeah maybe our gullibility is our fault for equating new "rares" with old rares.

Except that's exactly what you're also now trying to do -- you're even leaving them an opening to re-release santas, party hats, halloween masks ... Bunk. Those have a definition as discontinued, and that's the definition OP is using. If you're going to twist that definition to fit whatever you think Jagex might should decide to do, then why should you bother trying to continue to argue on this thread?

18-Nov-2017 15:33:13

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Qwis7

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sry to say but I do think that kale100 does know what's relevant and what's not relevant in a thread that he or she made.

I still try to explain what a rare is I do think that that has something to do with the thread or maybe I read a different title?

This whole "problem" is just the same as the game card promotion.
Its maybe a dirty thing but in the end Jagex is right and we did assume the wrong thing.

18-Nov-2017 18:03:00

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Zyphix

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Draco Burnz said :
Kale100 said :
It doesn't matter what is logical, it matters what will happen. So that's all fine and dandy, I agree 100%, but understanding Jagex's perspective is kind of the goal here.

Sadly thats a bit hard to do as there is no "understanding" jagex logic.
Oh, sure there is.

Financial gain = FTW

Duh. So there you have it.
They "rerelease" as desired by the playerbase, and also by low numbers in circulation in-game, as well as what would draw profit. It's very basic, really. Clan:

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19-Nov-2017 03:01:44

Transcendent

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@Ric Oshay

I'm sorry you think what I said is irrelevant and crap, are you trying to hurt my feelings? Because you did.

Maybe Jagex should not use the word rare if an item is not discontinued because many players associate the word rare with discontinued. That may be a reasonable argument.

But are we really even clear on what the word discontinued means when referring to items in RuneScape?

If an item is discontinued, does that mean it will never be released again?

Should Jagex attempt to keep the number of discontinued items in the economy stable in number, so if an account is banned with some, or becomes inactive for several years, should those items be re-released into the game somehow?

Would Jagex promise never to re-release an item they have labelled as discontinued? Or is that a promise they would not want to make in case management or policy changes in the future? Hi.

19-Nov-2017 17:19:42

Key Player

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The word 'Discontinued' simply means it is no longer available or in production. Nothing mentions a 'Discontinued' item or product can not be Recontinued . It's unfortunate, but that is the case in the real world and RS is no different.

Example- A business manufacturer has diminishing returns for X Product, so they discontinue the production.
3 months later, they have significant demand for the product, customers requesting it be returned to the shelves.

what does the company do? Recontinue a Discontinued item.

By literal definition, even items they say we're discontinued can return, this should be common sense. That being said, there is a clear stigma against releasing any items before 2002, so the general consensus should be that those are the only items that wont be returning.

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19-Nov-2017 18:37:07

Ric Oshay

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Redefining terms to suit your needs. This is why I say it's crap.

Obviously they can bring back whatever the hell they want. Just because you lot say they're going to though makes no difference, unless you're going to sit here and tell us you have some special insight into Jagex.

They "could", "should", "might". Pointless. So you all can put 2002 rares and 2012-forward rares in the same bin if you want and keep making the same silly arguments. Completely irrelevant.

You know what? You all can go along wishing and hoping and acting as if they're going to release party hats, santa hats etc tomorrow and I'll continue laughing. You know when I'll worry about the old rares? When Jagex says they're not going to re-release them.

Because everything they say these days is a lie.

19-Nov-2017 21:14:51

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Qwis7

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Ric Oshay said :
Redefining terms to suit your needs. This is why I say it's crap.

Obviously they can bring back whatever the hell they want. Just because you lot say they're going to though makes no difference, unless you're going to sit here and tell us you have some special insight into Jagex.

They "could", "should", "might". Pointless. So you all can put 2002 rares and 2012-forward rares in the same bin if you want and keep making the same silly arguments. Completely irrelevant.

You know what? You all can go along wishing and hoping and acting as if they're going to release party hats, santa hats etc tomorrow and I'll continue laughing. You know when I'll worry about the old rares? When Jagex says they're not going to re-release them.

Because everything they say these days is a lie.

They way you talk makes me think why you still here on this thread?

Anyway this topic is more about explaining a term now because that was the whole problem.
The only person that is throwing mud is you at this moment(and me with this post

).

I will stop posting at this thread because I made my point and there is noting left to say.

20-Nov-2017 08:03:44

Transcendent

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Key Player said :
The word 'Discontinued' simply means it is no longer available or in production. Nothing mentions a 'Discontinued' item or product can not be Recontinued . It's unfortunate, but that is the case in the real world and RS is no different.

Example- A business manufacturer has diminishing returns for X Product, so they discontinue the production.
3 months later, they have significant demand for the product, customers requesting it be returned to the shelves.

what does the company do? Recontinue a Discontinued item.

By literal definition, even items they say we're discontinued can return, this should be common sense. That being said, there is a clear stigma against releasing any items before 2002, so the general consensus should be that those are the only items that wont be returning.

Yep pretty much my understanding, a discontinued item is simply not currently available through gameplay, but could be made available through gameplay again in the future.

If I were to speculate, I would say it is unlikely older discontinueds would be re-released other than possibly a few being brought back from banned accounts, and even that would likely be player polled if it were to ever happen, and Jagex would probably take steps to ensure player's banks were not too negatively effected for those who own the older discontinueds. Hi.

20-Nov-2017 12:54:27

Kale100

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The reason for arguing semantics is very simple...in the end Jagex is free to do absolutely whatever the hell they want with this game. The thing to consider is the ethics and practicality of the actions. How is it practical or ethical to ignore or deceive your customers?

Players had an understanding of the terms "discontinued" and "tradeable rare". Whether or not this understanding was 100% correct (if correct is really even an applicable term in this case), the actions taken in light of this response are simply unethical.

If player's understanding was correct: Jagex have went back on their word.
If player's understanding was not correct: Some sort of PSA should have been made ASAP.

20-Nov-2017 18:52:32

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