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Lopendebank3
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Wahisietel although relatively young (I think most of his kin are older), is actually increadibly wise especially comparing him to his kin. Why wouldn't Zaros want him? EXP is not important, it's important to have fun and play with your friends. :) - Lopendebank3

10-Dec-2016 19:13:06

Hazeel

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Lopendebank3 said :
Wahisietel although relatively young (I think most of his kin are older), is actually increadibly wise especially comparing him to his kin. Why wouldn't Zaros want him?

Is he? He seems to be wrong on just about everything. He was even in denial of Muspah even though he had kin who had lived through them. And it's primary based on the fact that he had simply never seen one himself. That's as deluded as denying the existence of dinosaurs and ignoring all evidence because you have simply never seen one. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

10-Dec-2016 20:06:52

Wahisietel
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Muspah hadn't been seen for thousands of years before Wahisietel's birth. Even Azzanadra didn't believe Muspah were real, so it's probable that none of the living Mahjarrat had seen a Muspah (before Children of Mah, at least). You could argue Zemouregal, because of Zemouregal senior apparently encountered some, but we don't actually know how recent said ancestor was. He could be Zemouregal, son of Zemouregal, son of Zemouregal, son of Zemouregal... You never were our brightest star, Khazard. 'Vermin slaughtered like lambs'? What does that even mean?

10-Dec-2016 21:59:30 - Last edited on 10-Dec-2016 22:00:25 by Wahisietel

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Hazeel said :
Lopendebank3 said :
Wahisietel although relatively young (I think most of his kin are older), is actually increadibly wise especially comparing him to his kin. Why wouldn't Zaros want him?

Is he? He seems to be wrong on just about everything. He was even in denial of Muspah even though he had kin who had lived through them. And it's primary based on the fact that he had simply never seen one himself. That's as deluded as denying the existence of dinosaurs and ignoring all evidence because you have simply never seen one. Being wise does not make a person incapable of ignorance. Believing in something based on blind faith on what other people say is foolish imo. Also we have the skeletons to prove that dinosaurs exist so that's hardly a fair comparison. Evidence that exists through the minds of others is hardly compelling.

10-Dec-2016 22:17:58

Hazeel

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We have at least three first born Mahjarrat (well...two Mahjarrat and one Mahserrat) who witnessed Muspah and "Mah" (Seren). There's plenty of things in the world I haven't experienced that I simply have to take my elders word for. Having some skepticism is fine, but to completely claim it to be false simply because you haven't seen it yourself is incredibly arrogant and close minded.

Although personally, I think the only reason they hadn't seen any is because they were aware of their territory and Old Man Bilrach kept yelling at that rascally Sliske to stay away from there. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

10-Dec-2016 22:25:54 - Last edited on 10-Dec-2016 22:30:19 by Hazeel

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Hazeel said :
Is he? He seems to be wrong on just about everything. He was even in denial of Muspah even though he had kin who had lived through them. And it's primary based on the fact that he had simply never seen one himself. That's as deluded as denying the existence of dinosaurs and ignoring all evidence because you have simply never seen one.
I think that those inconsistencies might be at least partially due to a lot of his dialogue as Ali the Wise being outdated. Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.

10-Dec-2016 23:11:22 - Last edited on 10-Dec-2016 23:16:10 by Raleirosen

Wahisietel
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Hazeel said :
We have at least three first born Mahjarrat (well...two Mahjarrat and one Mahserrat) who witnessed Muspah and "Mah" (Seren). There's plenty of things in the world I haven't experienced that I simply have to take my elders word for. Having some skepticism is fine, but to completely claim it to be false simply because you haven't seen it yourself is incredibly arrogant and close minded.

Although personally, I think the only reason they hadn't seen any is because they were aware of their territory and Old Man Bilrach kept yelling at that rascally Sliske to stay away from there.

Honestly, I find the idea that any of the originals still exist a huge stretch, how the fuck would they have survived for thousands of years on Freneskae without getting killed or sacrificed. But I doubt they cared about storyline consistency when they put that in Children of Mah, it was purely to make Seren look bad while ignoring the facts. Like oh I don't; know maybe if Zaros hadn't taught them how to do The Ritual of Rejuvenation on Gielinor, they would have actually reproduced and died like a normal race. You never were our brightest star, Khazard. 'Vermin slaughtered like lambs'? What does that even mean?

11-Dec-2016 00:17:43

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Wahisietel said :
Honestly, I find the idea that any of the originals still exist a huge stretch, how the fuck would they have survived for thousands of years on Freneskae without getting killed or sacrificed.

Because

1) Unlike humans Mahjarrat don't have any disadvantages by being older than their kin.

2) The older Mahjarrat have more political influence.

3) The older Mahjarrat know the land better.

4) They also had more time to train and grow in power.

5) They have more combat experience than the younger Mahjarrat

6) They are wiser.

7) They had more time to develop other survival skills than younger Mahjarrat, including the best way to survive a ritual.

8) They have more respect.

Overall they have a massive leg up against the newly born Mahjarrat who come into the world with nothing and no youthful advantages that humans do.

Wahisietel said :
Like oh I don't; know maybe if Zaros hadn't taught them how to do The Ritual of Rejuvenation on Gielinor, they would have actually reproduced and died like a normal race.

1) They reproduced by using Mah, who wasn't around. It begs the question...can they even mate on Gielinor? We have had one Mahjarrat born in Gielinor...Khazard. And he was born to a God, which may explain why he was even born to begin with.

2) They didn't want to reproduce and die like a normal race. They were free to join another tribe or create a new tribe that only did the Ritual of Enervation, but they didn't. Children of Mah don't have an afterlife, so it makes sense that most--if not all of them--would want to live forever.

It's much more impressive for a younger Mahjarrat to survive. They start as the weakest and the others are thinking of them when the next ritual arrives. I imagine that's why Khazard was placed under one of the oldest members of the tribe to help cover him. I'm sure everyone was considering him when he participated in his first ritual. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

11-Dec-2016 00:37:06 - Last edited on 11-Dec-2016 00:48:36 by Hazeel

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Hazeel said :
Lopendebank3 said :
Wahisietel although relatively young (I think most of his kin are older), is actually increadibly wise especially comparing him to his kin. Why wouldn't Zaros want him?

Is he? He seems to be wrong on just about everything. He was even in denial of Muspah even though he had kin who had lived through them. And it's primary based on the fact that he had simply never seen one himself. That's as deluded as denying the existence of dinosaurs and ignoring all evidence because you have simply never seen one.

At one point, people made claims that they had seen mermaids or were attacked by witches. We still have people claiming to see the Loch Ness Monster or Big Foot.

As is the case with the Muspah, the existence of these creatures is only substantiated by somebody's claim that they had seen them. By comparison, the dinosaurs have a a widespread, consistent, and elaborate fossil record to prove their existence.

A better analogy to Wahisietel's doubt about the Muspah's existence would be somebody who doesn't believe that dinosaurs live beneath the surface of the world despite the claims made in Journey to the Center of the Earth. Or, if you prefer, doubting the validity of any one or more of the world's religions despite their text(s) claiming otherwise.

And it's not like there was no reason to have considered that the older members of the tribe might have been lying about the Muspah so as to perpetuate the traditions that kept them both in power and safe from opposition. Oh wait, those are pretty good reasons to lie about the Muspah (and therefore, reason to doubt their claims).

11-Dec-2016 05:14:25

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