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Wahisietel
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Hazeel said :

1) They reproduced by using Mah, who wasn't around. It begs the question...can they even mate on Gielinor? We have had one Mahjarrat born in Gielinor...Khazard. And he was born to a God, which may explain why he was even born to begin with.

But was Khazard the only one? Zemouregal's notes do not indicate that the birth of Khazard was anything unusual, and merely says that he is the youngest. Zemouregal also attempted to convince Enakhra to reproduce with him, further implying that reproduction on Gielinor is not unheard of. Presumably the ritual works without Mah on Gielinor, albeit at a much greater cost. You never were our brightest star, Khazard. 'Vermin slaughtered like lambs'? What does that even mean?

11-Dec-2016 09:03:43

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Wahisietel said :
Hazeel said :

1) They reproduced by using Mah, who wasn't around. It begs the question...can they even mate on Gielinor? We have had one Mahjarrat born in Gielinor...Khazard. And he was born to a God, which may explain why he was even born to begin with.

But was Khazard the only one? Zemouregal's notes do not indicate that the birth of Khazard was anything unusual, and merely says that he is the youngest. Zemouregal also attempted to convince Enakhra to reproduce with him, further implying that reproduction on Gielinor is not unheard of. Presumably the ritual works without Mah on Gielinor, albeit at a much greater cost.

You're right. That's why I'm not writing it off completely, but it still begs the question of how it's done and whether it's worth it from a survivalist point of view. Traditionally, the Mahjarrat pull energy from Mah and create a new member of their race, giving their race a bigger pool of that energy. By themselves, however, they have no energy to pull from, which means they would have to use their own, likely leaving their race with the same amount of energy and no better off in the long run.

Why haven't they been breeding anymore? Why is Khazard the youngest? Sure, Enakhra's the only one left, but you would think they would have done something when they realized they had three females left or frantically repopulated after Tumeken blew up. And even with just Enakhra, I doubt all the Mahjarrat just respect Enakhra's wishes and decided not to push this forward if it was possible. With Zemourgal, I have a feeling he might have just been making an excuse to advance on her. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

11-Dec-2016 16:26:14 - Last edited on 11-Dec-2016 16:26:58 by Hazeel

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Hazeel said :
Why haven't they been breeding anymore? Why is Khazard the youngest? Sure, Enakhra's the only one left, but you would think they would have done something when they realized they had three females left or frantically repopulated after Tumeken blew up.
Probably because the vast majority of Mahjarrat are either wildly narcissistic or insanely devoted to a deity, and thus pay only lip service to the concept of their race as a whole. As far as I can recall Kharshai is literally the only one who consistently thought in those terms.

When you've spent your entire existence focusing on your personal survival and advancement, you probably don't have that much racial identity. Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.

12-Dec-2016 02:23:38 - Last edited on 12-Dec-2016 02:27:32 by Raleirosen

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Wahi's not a backstabber. He never struck me as one; couldn't detect traitor vibes on him.

Angsting about being ignored by Zaros=/=going to betray him. I can speak from experience. I'm not happy Zaros ignores what I've done for him, I don't like it when he treated me so coldly and dismissively, but that doesn't mean I'm planning to stab him with some Elder artifact.

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12-Dec-2016 04:55:30

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Raleirosen said :
Hazeel said :
Why haven't they been breeding anymore? Why is Khazard the youngest? Sure, Enakhra's the only one left, but you would think they would have done something when they realized they had three females left or frantically repopulated after Tumeken blew up.
Probably because the vast majority of Mahjarrat are either wildly narcissistic or insanely devoted to a deity, and thus pay only lip service to the concept of their race as a whole. As far as I can recall Kharshai is literally the only one who consistently thought in those terms.

When you've spent your entire existence focusing on your personal survival and advancement, you probably don't have that much racial identity.

But breeding is not only essential to their individual survival (since they would otherwise run out) but is helpful to their factions cause. Based on what Jhallen said, they've always been politically split, so even before it was Zamorakians vs Zarosians, there was a Side A vs Side B. Well if Side B has two members breed 10 more Mahjarrat and raise them to follow their side, Side B gains a lot more political power and they've ensured 10 more rituals.

Assuming breeding can be done as it was traditionally and prolong the survival of their race, there's no reason not to do it, even if they only breed one new Mahjarrat every 500 years and sacrifice that same Mahjarrat in the upcoming ritual they could prolong themselves indefinitely. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

12-Dec-2016 05:07:23 - Last edited on 12-Dec-2016 05:07:54 by Hazeel

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Hazeel said :
But breeding is not only essential to their individual survival (since they would otherwise run out) but is helpful to their factions cause. Based on what Jhallen said, they've always been politically split, so even before it was Zamorakians vs Zarosians, there was a Side A vs Side B. Well if Side B has two members breed 10 more Mahjarrat and raise them to follow their side, Side B gains a lot more political power and they've ensured 10 more rituals.

Assuming breeding can be done as it was traditionally and prolong the survival of their race, there's no reason not to do it, even if they only breed one new Mahjarrat every 500 years and sacrifice that same Mahjarrat in the upcoming ritual they could prolong themselves indefinitely.
Just because they've always been divided doesn't mean that their individualistic tendencies don't take precedence. But either way, they just don't seem that forward-thinking to me. Remember that at the start of CoM, a lot of them (admittedly only the Zamorakians) were ready to sacrifice Kharshai on the spot.

Speaking of CoM, that also reminds me of Zemouregal Senior's memory: I don't recall the wording exactly, but it seemed to reinforce the idea that in order to breed, Mahjarrat need to sacrifice some of their power. It would make sense if that were the case; while every Mahjarrat would approve of reproduction, none of them would actually volunteer for it since it would mean making themselves weaker. Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.

12-Dec-2016 12:53:10 - Last edited on 12-Dec-2016 12:56:12 by Raleirosen

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Akthanakos might leave Zaro's service but Wahisitel won't he is loyal he has always been loyal.

Hazeel your comments always make me laugh, you always try to paint Zaros and his faction in the worst biased way possible. You misintrepet things on purpose just to bash. Calling Azzy weak lol. His power is of the chart. Wahi was a legatus no way he is weak, and he tanked Lucien who had the Staff and the Stone. Zaros fighting dirty by attacking Zamorak's son? No one knew that especially not Zaros who just came back to Gilienor, and he didn't atttack him either was going to empower him. Any lorehound can easily dismiss your slander so do yourself a favour and quite being immature.
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14-Dec-2016 01:31:46

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Darc Oejder said :
Akthanakos might leave Zaro's service but Wahisitel won't he is loyal he has always been loyal.

Hazeel your comments always make me laugh, you always try to paint Zaros and his faction in the worst biased way possible. You misintrepet things on purpose just to bash. Calling Azzy weak lol. His power is of the chart. Wahi was a legatus no way he is weak, and he tanked Lucien who had the Staff and the Stone. Zaros fighting dirty by attacking Zamorak's son? No one knew that especially not Zaros who just came back to Gilienor, and he didn't atttack him either was going to empower him. Any lorehound can easily dismiss your slander so do yourself a favour and quite being immature.

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14-Dec-2016 01:58:16

Hazeel

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Darc Oejder said :
Akthanakos might leave Zaro's service but Wahisitel won't he is loyal he has always been loyal.

Allied? Yes. Loyal? Hardly. The moment he can think for himself, he starts to doubt and question Zaros.

Darc Oejder said :
Hazeel your comments always make me laugh, you always try to paint Zaros and his faction in the worst biased way possible. You misintrepet things on purpose just to bash.

Heeeeey....yoooouuu? ...I'm sorry, do I know you random little nobody?

Darc Oejder said :
Calling Azzy weak lol. His power is of the chart. Wahi was a legatus no way he is weak, and he tanked Lucien who had the Staff and the Stone.

I don't know how you determine strength, but to me, strength is seen not in how many people you can kill, but in your ability to improve on yourself and never stop. A trait Azzanadra is sorely lacking. He can't adapt. He can't think for himself. He's a tool. He has power, but not strength. He is weak.

Wahisietel isn't as bad, but in terms of power, he was near the front of the line in being sacrificed. If Jhallen hadn't been there, Wahisietel would have been killed.

Darc Oejder said :
Zaros fighting dirty by attacking Zamorak's son? No one knew that especially not Zaros who just came back to Gilienor, and he didn't atttack him either was going to empower him.

Oh please, all the Mahjarrat suspected it. And for some reason, Zaros knew who Khazard was to begin with which shows he was informed.

Darc Oejder said :
Any lorehound can easily dismiss your slander so do yourself a favour and quite being immature. BAWWW!!! Faction bashing hurts my feelings! D'X

Sorry not sorry. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

14-Dec-2016 03:40:33

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