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2013

Amascut

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Balustan said :

My issue with V______ not having made them all is there is a good reason he and he alone made them in the lore. He touched the Stone of Jas the source of runes. It doesn't just require power. His mind was unlocked. Honestly I think they've made huge mistakes with V______ as a character but they should make him have made all the altars during his "lifelong" search for the Stone after it was taken from him.

Place him very early second age and he can get to the Death Altar before the Temple is built.

Keep in mind we know that Guthix used the Elder Sword to make the Runecrafting Altars themselves (according to Runefest anyway), the things you create the Rune stones on, and cut the portals to those other worlds. V would have had to visit the location the Portal connected with the elemental plane in order to build the exterior temples, that we use the rune talismans on to visit the elemental planes. @Fannygirdle on Twitter | Co-Owner of The Scrying Pool, a future updates and lore clan

24-Mar-2016 06:43:24

Hguoh

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Mopedi said :
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That's only a rumor. We don't know if V really did make all the altars. There are people among the moonclan and Fremmenik that doubt this.

Hero's Welcome dialogue:
Freya Lune: V is the patron of the Moon Clan and one of our greatest heroes. He discovered the art of binding energy into rune stones, constructed the Astral altar and taught us many spells. There are some scholars who think he may have made all the altars, but I am not one of them.

Alfrick the Planner: V is one of the greatest heroes the Fremennik have ever produced! He did set up some of the rune altars and teach the Moon Clan some tricks...but I guess we're all trying to get along so that can be overlooked.

My headcanon theory is that some of the Mahjarrat or other powerful races made the other altars, like the blood and death, since the moonclan were only interested in simpler spells like water and air spells at the time. A jmod would also said that V would have to have access to a portal to be able to get to the enclosed Death altar location or something.

The rumor is that V was personally involvemed in the creation of all of the altars (hence why I stated he likely wasn't involved in the creation of air, earth, and chaos altars).

It is not rumor that the Moon Clan created all of the altars.

24-Mar-2016 09:29:37 - Last edited on 24-Mar-2016 10:21:01 by Hguoh

Balustan

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Amascut said :
Balustan said :

My issue with V______ not having made them all is there is a good reason he and he alone made them in the lore. He touched the Stone of Jas the source of runes. It doesn't just require power. His mind was unlocked. Honestly I think they've made huge mistakes with V______ as a character but they should make him have made all the altars during his "lifelong" search for the Stone after it was taken from him.

Place him very early second age and he can get to the Death Altar before the Temple is built.

Keep in mind we know that Guthix used the Elder Sword to make the Runecrafting Altars themselves (according to Runefest anyway), the things you create the Rune stones on, and cut the portals to those other worlds. V would have had to visit the location the Portal connected with the elemental plane in order to build the exterior temples, that we use the rune talismans on to visit the elemental planes.

In game says the Moon Clan created them and that they are pocket dimensions created due to the power of the altars not other worlds that existed before. Don't see why we should use info from RuneFest that Jagex have probably changed their minds about anyway.

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24-Mar-2016 14:47:00

Capn Swag

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Menaphos sounds about right.

24-Mar-2016 14:52:25

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Lord Drakan

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Balustan said :
Amascut said :
Balustan said :

My issue with V______ not having made them all is there is a good reason he and he alone made them in the lore. He touched the Stone of Jas the source of runes. It doesn't just require power. His mind was unlocked. Honestly I think they've made huge mistakes with V______ as a character but they should make him have made all the altars during his "lifelong" search for the Stone after it was taken from him.

Place him very early second age and he can get to the Death Altar before the Temple is built.

Keep in mind we know that Guthix used the Elder Sword to make the Runecrafting Altars themselves (according to Runefest anyway), the things you create the Rune stones on, and cut the portals to those other worlds. V would have had to visit the location the Portal connected with the elemental plane in order to build the exterior temples, that we use the rune talismans on to visit the elemental planes.

In game says the Moon Clan created them and that they are pocket dimensions created due to the power of the altars not other worlds that existed before. Don't see why we should use info from RuneFest that Jagex have probably changed their minds about anyway.
Yeah, the altars themselves (possibly made by Guthix, we don't know, but definitely not on other worlds accessed using the Elder Sword) radiated so much magical energy that they collapsed upon themselves and formed pocket dimensions. V7 and the Moon Clan were able to detect the locations where the altars had stood and built temples there. Bizarre Boron Fusswell, scryer extraordinaire. OSRS: POH ideas & RS3 minigames & achievement ideas !

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24-Mar-2016 15:38:15

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She-Bat

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Menaphos is probably the best option.

My main objection to it being the Elemental Workshop is simple - it's so close to the Fremennik Province. It's different for the astral altar because the Moon Clan use it for ritualistic purposes and their spells are based around the use of astral energy. Also, as Lunar Diplomacy, the Moon Clan can quite easily stop the Fremennik from ever reaching the Lunar Isle. It seems vaguely ridiculous that they would build an altar in a location that is so close to those who would want it destroyed and yet would be unable to defend said location from attack.

As for the Underworld, as has been previously pointed out, would the Moon Clan not go to the Teragardian underworld instead of the Gilenorian Underworld? And even then, what about Nomad's Elegy? If Nomad's entire plan was based on absorbing as much soul energy as possible, would the soul altar not be a logical place for him to take? And how come during all the time we spent in the Underworld we never came across it? And what would be the practical purpose of having the soul altar in the Underworld if it was impossible for the average mortal to ever reach? The Temple of Light uses the death altar for it's security. What he hell would the underworld need it for? Would that not defeat the entire point of building a soul altar in the first place?

25-Mar-2016 00:41:37 - Last edited on 25-Mar-2016 00:43:34 by She-Bat

Hguoh

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She-Bat said :
My main objection to it being the Elemental Workshop is simple - it's so close to the Fremennik Province. It's different for the astral altar because the Moon Clan use it for ritualistic purposes and their spells are based around the use of astral energy. Also, as Lunar Diplomacy, the Moon Clan can quite easily stop the Fremennik from ever reaching the Lunar Isle. It seems vaguely ridiculous that they would build an altar in a location that is so close to those who would want it destroyed and yet would be unable to defend said location from attack.

1. The rest of the Fremmies didn't decide to go on their anti-magic/altar destruction crusade until the early 5th age (when people other than the Lunar Clan found their own essence mine and Runecrafting became widespread).

2. Considering the Lunar clan initially only practices simple water and air spells, I'd find it odd that they'd build the altars to produce those runes so far away from their own lands if they could have built the altars anywhere they wanted. This would seem to indicate that the location of a given altar was not something the clan could freely decide.

25-Mar-2016 01:00:38

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She-Bat

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1. True, but the actual split happened very early on. By expelling the runecrafters from the clan the Fremennik took a very aggressive position against Runecrafting and the Moon Clan. Would not building an altar right outside their lands be waving a red handkerchief in front of a bull?

2. Perhaps, but the fact that the Moon Clan has apparently been able to continue using magic without interruption up until the present day, where they no longer need runes, suggests that distance isn't a particular problem.

25-Mar-2016 01:23:28 - Last edited on 25-Mar-2016 02:51:03 by She-Bat

Hguoh

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She-Bat said :
1. True, but the actual split happened very early on. By expelling the runecrafters from the clan the Fremennik took a very aggressive position against Runecrafting and the Moon Clan. Would not building an altar right outside their lands be waving a red handkerchief in front of a bull?

2. Perhaps, but the fact that the Moon Clan has apparently been able to continue using magic without interruption up until the present day, where they no longer need runes, suggests that distance isn't a particular problem.

1. If it's under the Elemental Workshop, it would have initially been hidden away deep in a cave. Not exactly out in the open touting its existence.

2. Even if distance is not a factor, Seren's memorium crystals say that a rift of death energy existed at the future location of the death altar long before the altar itself was ever built. This would appear to indicate again that the locations of the various altar was not something the Lunar Clan had much choice in.

25-Mar-2016 11:52:28

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She-Bat

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Hguoh said :
She-Bat said :
1. True, but the actual split happened very early on. By expelling the runecrafters from the clan the Fremennik took a very aggressive position against Runecrafting and the Moon Clan. Would not building an altar right outside their lands be waving a red handkerchief in front of a bull?

2. Perhaps, but the fact that the Moon Clan has apparently been able to continue using magic without interruption up until the present day, where they no longer need runes, suggests that distance isn't a particular problem.

1. If it's under the Elemental Workshop, it would have initially been hidden away deep in a cave. Not exactly out in the open touting its existence.

2. Even if distance is not a factor, Seren's memorium crystals say that a rift of death energy existed at the future location of the death altar long before the altar itself was ever built. This would appear to indicate again that the locations of the various altar was not something the Lunar Clan had much choice in.
Alright, excellent points. I concede...
...I still prefer Menaphos though. I blame the body puzzle in Elemental Workshop III (which the recent Easter event has brought many unpleasant memories of).

25-Mar-2016 19:38:31

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