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Healthorg

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Padomenes said :
@Healthorg Queen of Ashes doesn't sound like a "fascist". Sounds a bit more like a Socialist or just revolution orientated in her ideal although we are not sure what spectrum yet(Democratic/Authoritarian-Socialist? Ranging from Stalinist, or Maoist to Trotskyist) or a Jacobin(Like Maximilien Robespierre). Either way we don't know yet, she supposedly acts like Saradomin or Armadyl but also in some way like Zamorak at the same time. A non-pacifist "Anti-Bandos".

Bandos himself sounded more fascist though as he believed in "survival of the fittest" and outright extermination of those he considered "weak" such as races. She sounds like the one who would make them retaliate against him by banding together in sheer numbers.

But wouldn't be technically a "villain" like Bandos. We haven't heard enough of her yet to judge. That's more reserved for Xau-Tak?


Well, that's why I said it's not accurate, but for the sake of discussion, to use it. And hey, discussion happened. I agree whole-heartedly that Bandos was fascist. But I'll leave it there to not incite too much talk about politics, beyond simplistic views.

And yes, I do admit that we know little about the Queen of Ashes, but given what we know, we know some particularly worrying things. To be honest, I believe that the Queen and Xau-Tak are both villainous deities, ready to rip and tear at Gielinor. I don't, however, believe in the Queen of Ashes being 'anti-Bandos'. It's not that it's already taken by Armadyl, but I just don't see her means being 'Anti-Bandosian', it'd be even more hypocritical of her to claim herself as such. (Though, she wouldn't, because she has no idea who Bandos is and doesn't have a reason to learn much beyond the fact that he's dead.)

06-Jan-2017 01:58:46 - Last edited on 06-Jan-2017 02:00:36 by Healthorg

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*NOTE* I am posting this not yet able to play through the quest myself yet, but having watched several play throughs and read the collected transcript. Also I support the Armadyl faction.

I thought that this quest shed some much needed light to help improve Saradomin's image. Explaining the gravity of the situation behind ripping Galandia's wings off was amazing. Saradomin explains why he did it, to demonstrate to the Icyne why they had to rally against their foe, for they would show no quarter. This is how wars are won, by one side committing to victory better then the other. Adding to this tale, we see how this still bothered Saradomin. He can never forget what his senses told him as the wings came off. He will be haunted by this action for eternity, yet made that sacrifice to preserve the Icyne, as they had to rally or die, at least that is how Saradomin tells the tale. It may be new information will surface and show him to have been wrong in thinking such drastic steps were required.

I also enjoyed how he kept his daughter secret and was willing to surrender the stone of Jas to keep her safe. This really captures how he is not just a god of order and control, but one with a conscience, even if it has succumbed to poor choices before.

It was also cool to have him explain why he values order and control and the picture he paints is essentially what we follow under our government. They dictate to us what we can and cannot do and in exchange we have peace and safety. These are not bad things, but they can be abused.

If anything, I respect Saradomin's position now more then I did before, if could relearn some humility, he'd earn some major brownie points, but what can one do with a god, just look at the Greek/Egpytian/Norse pantheon, constant pride issues.

06-Jan-2017 05:53:22

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NachtWeaver said :
Zaros might've been a dictator in his empire.
But Saradomin is an unequivocal fascist.

"Might have been"
Lol, he literally had a secret police , that freaking SLISKE was in charge of. Saradomin has a theocracy/feudal system if the system on Teragard is how he prefers things.

Zarosians aren't really in any position to judge either way.
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09-Jan-2017 03:10:27 - Last edited on 09-Jan-2017 03:13:08 by Vardan

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Vardan said :
"Might have been"
Lol, he literally had a secret police , that freaking SLISKE was in charge of. Saradomin has a theocracy/feudal system if the system on Teragard is how he prefers things.

Zarosians aren't really in any position to judge either way.
Technically Zaros was absent from the empire for a long while. So one could argue that, to a certain degree, he wasn't really a dictator. He wasn't doing much dictating, after all.

Also, everyone is in a position to judge regardless of their faction alignment.
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09-Jan-2017 06:05:12 - Last edited on 09-Jan-2017 06:05:23 by Raleirosen

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Raleirosen said :
Vardan said :
"Might have been"
Lol, he literally had a secret police , that freaking SLISKE was in charge of. Saradomin has a theocracy/feudal system if the system on Teragard is how he prefers things.

Zarosians aren't really in any position to judge either way.
Technically Zaros was absent from the empire for a long while. So one could argue that, to a certain degree, he wasn't really a dictator. He wasn't doing much dictating, after all.

Also, everyone is in a position to judge regardless of their faction alignment.

So one could argue lord Drakan wasn't a dictator.
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09-Jan-2017 07:22:04

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ZAmorakZaros said :
So one could argue lord Drakan wasn't a dictator.
To the degree that he wasn't an active force in Morytania, yep. I don't recall Drakan's absence being as lengthy or as notable as that of Zaros, though.
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09-Jan-2017 07:36:12 - Last edited on 09-Jan-2017 07:42:48 by Raleirosen

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Vardan said :
NachtWeaver said :
Zaros might've been a dictator in his empire.
But Saradomin is an unequivocal fascist.

"Might have been"
Lol, he literally had a secret police , that freaking SLISKE was in charge of. Saradomin has a theocracy/feudal system if the system on Teragard is how he prefers things.

Zarosians aren't really in any position to judge either way.
I say its time we distinguish Surosians/Shrekrosians(People like her and the OP) from genuine, mature Zarosian players.

09-Jan-2017 08:37:07 - Last edited on 09-Jan-2017 11:37:47 by Padomenes

ZAmorakZaros
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Raleirosen said :
ZAmorakZaros said :
So one could argue lord Drakan wasn't a dictator.
To the degree that he wasn't an active force in Morytania, yep. I don't recall Drakan's absence being as lengthy or as notable as that of Zaros, though.

Now that I think of it they are very similar. Both were absent and got betrayed the moment they stepped back by people pretty high in their hierarchy. Well mainly just Vanescula for Drakan
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09-Jan-2017 13:23:22

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ZAmorakZaros said :
Raleirosen said :
Vardan said :
"Might have been"
Lol, he literally had a secret police , that freaking SLISKE was in charge of. Saradomin has a theocracy/feudal system if the system on Teragard is how he prefers things.

Zarosians aren't really in any position to judge either way.
Technically Zaros was absent from the empire for a long while. So one could argue that, to a certain degree, he wasn't really a dictator. He wasn't doing much dictating, after all.

Also, everyone is in a position to judge regardless of their faction alignment.

So one could argue lord Drakan wasn't a dictator.


Well, yeah. He may have been ruler by name, but he wasn't actually around to rule his kingdom. He essentially became a figurehead while his siblings ran the country in his absence.

At least during his unintended vacation on Vampyrium that is. Similarly, I wouldn't consider Zaros a dictator during the time he withdrew from his empire (after the war with the Menaphites). As the Empire was controlled by the leadership of his church who were divining what they believed to be his will during this time, I'd consider it a theocratic oligarchy.

During the time Zaros was 'hands on' with the empire, however, I'd definitely call him a dictator.

10-Jan-2017 03:21:55 - Last edited on 10-Jan-2017 03:28:41 by Hguoh

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