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Roar Trout

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Ancient Drew said :
Voraiya said :
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Talk about Varrock. Maybe they really need to upgrade their military. Perhaps they can start off by not issuing Bronze weapons and have a good military. I understand that Varrock is in a bad shape and have a lot of money problems. But hey, the king need to suck up and do his job. Lol Get rid of Ellamaria. Financial problem solved, then Varrock can make a treaty with the barbarian village so they can safely get coal for steel at least. Then they can make cannons with help from the Imcandos. That's their best chance of survival without us.
If the King ever sends his bronze nublets south to Lummy, the Lumbridge Guard (Lumbridge army so to speak) all in their shiny Rune and highly trained will pull them apart like cotton candy.

That would be most entertaining to watch *gets out the popcorn* ^_^

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26-Dec-2016 20:07:02

Ancient Drew

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Roar Trout said :
Ancient Drew said :
Voraiya said :
@ZAmorakZaros

Talk about Varrock. Maybe they really need to upgrade their military. Perhaps they can start off by not issuing Bronze weapons and have a good military. I understand that Varrock is in a bad shape and have a lot of money problems. But hey, the king need to suck up and do his job. Lol Get rid of Ellamaria. Financial problem solved, then Varrock can make a treaty with the barbarian village so they can safely get coal for steel at least. Then they can make cannons with help from the Imcandos. That's their best chance of survival without us.
If the King ever sends his bronze nublets south to Lummy, the Lumbridge Guard (Lumbridge army so to speak) all in their shiny Rune and highly trained will pull them apart like cotton candy.

That would be most entertaining to watch *gets out the popcorn* ^_^

Not to mention the vampyres in the east, Zemouregal in the north, trolls in the west and Amascut in the south (if the latter two are allowed to escape). Then you can prepare for a bloodbath. Prepare for hell on RuneScape in Naval Cataclysm!

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26-Dec-2016 20:09:29

Roar Trout

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Ancient Drew said :
Roar Trout said :
Ancient Drew said :
Voraiya said :
@ZAmorakZaros

Talk about Varrock. Maybe they really need to upgrade their military. Perhaps they can start off by not issuing Bronze weapons and have a good military. I understand that Varrock is in a bad shape and have a lot of money problems. But hey, the king need to suck up and do his job. Lol Get rid of Ellamaria. Financial problem solved, then Varrock can make a treaty with the barbarian village so they can safely get coal for steel at least. Then they can make cannons with help from the Imcandos. That's their best chance of survival without us.
If the King ever sends his bronze nublets south to Lummy, the Lumbridge Guard (Lumbridge army so to speak) all in their shiny Rune and highly trained will pull them apart like cotton candy.

That would be most entertaining to watch *gets out the popcorn* ^_^

Not to mention the vampyres in the east, Zemouregal in the north, trolls in the west and Amascut in the south (if the latter two are allowed to escape). Then you can prepare for a bloodbath. You know, lore wise, such a force should now be the first one the king would call on. There is nothing else like it anywhere else in Misthlain. Roar Trout, noisiest fish on Gielinor!

26-Dec-2016 20:16:29

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Voraiya

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Poor Varrock. If I was to invade Varrock it won't be that hard due to the walls. So many opening and gaps. I rather sweep my south for Lumby and Draynor to take control of the farms and food. Cut off the Varrock food source after that take over the mining site down south west close to Champion's Guild. Sweep to the west side of Varrock thanks to that big opening gap and move east to take over the center. Surround the Palace. I'm sure if I issue my soldiers with iron up to steel equipment and up to Yew bows. That outta do.

After that I am King of Varrock!

26-Dec-2016 20:24:40

Healthorg

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Where has this thread gone, honestly? I can't keep a track of the conversation, I thought we were talking about Saradomin's obvious authoritarianism.

I mean, CD_Paladin_C's threads are often incomprehensible in logic, but a clock's right twice a day, even if I find the snarky and blatant "IN YOUR FACE" rhetoric grating and unnecessary.

But I'm not here to take pot-shots, I'm here to agree and say, "Yeah, duh." Saradomin has always been authoritarian, and borderline-despotic depending on how you paint what he's done, but the fact that Jagex is playing on that and presenting the idea that Saradomin truly, genuinely, believes that it's right for the world is what I think is important.

Some people genuinely believe that total free will is inefficient or undesirable, they're welcome to believe in Saradomin's mentality. Especially considering that he came from a world, Teragard, that:
A) May or may not exemplify an unethically scientific society, ("You were so preoccupied with whether or not you could, you didn't stop to think if you should",)
and B) Is implied to have shrugged off Saradomin's religion entirely, given his reluctance to speak of, or even visit his own homeworld in the past MILLENNIA .

I'm pretty sure that Teragard will show, in flying colors, what Saradomin's teachings are meant to prevent, and why he does what he does.

But aside from that, Saradomin's human, so of course he's going to take an authoritative stance. That's no reason to act like the other Gods aren't flawed, because they're incredibly flawed too.

Zaros had the hissy fit I knew he was going to have.
Seren gave in to emotion and almost nuked Freneskae after being accused of her hasty and unethical actions over the Dreams of Mah.
Guthix was prone to melancholy and understandably stubborn.
Armadyl is self-aware, but that doesn't stop him from being youthful or prone to outbursts himself.
Bandos was literally a psychopath.
The Queen of Ashes is Psychopath #2.

03-Jan-2017 16:43:42

Healthorg

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^Continuing from above, since my posts are long-winded. I would have added more gods and explanations (especially Zamorak) but I was running out of space and it'd distract from another point I'd like to bring up.

Saradomin may be despotic at the worst of times, but at least it's been a relatively stable, if arrogantly justified, rule for his subjects. From what we're getting from the Queen of Ashes, however? That's true despotism.

If Saradomin represents authoritarianism, it wouldn't be accurate to say that the Queen of Ashes represents fascism, but let's go with that. She would just represent anarchy for the rest of the world as well as total control and allegiance from her subjects.

I would argue that she's effectively the worst of Saradomin and Zamorak combined; total, heel-crushing rule and servitude under her and nobody else , and the propensity to sow discord and recruit the discarded members of races all over the worlds she conquers.

Not because it would elevate her subjects, as both Saradomin and Zamorak believe, but only because they'd live under her 'magnificence', to further the 'enlightenment' by fire that we're told she preaches. Where Saradomin is order and Zamorak is survival of the fittest, the Queen of Ashes seems to be unchecked judgment.

Sure, she might end up with redeeming values herself, but given that she's interested in raising up the Bandosian races now that their god's gone, it seems that she's simply meant to fill in for Bandos as a war-monger - just of a different shade.

Where Bandos was equally egotistical, he believed in eugenics and breeding the perfect solider; quality over quantity and that war for the sake of war was important.

But the Queen of Ashes seems only interested in bringing up the downtrodden, for some reason we don't know yet, and turning them against the world itself; quantity over quality, raising the bottom to the top through social and martial war - something built from nothing, easy to control.

03-Jan-2017 17:27:17

Ancient Drew

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@ Healthorg
It would seem that, as is the case with many villains, the Queen of Ashes is the hero of her own story based on what you posted.

From what I hear, she takes in the downtrodden and shows them a vision of her enlightenment through fire, which some may construe as revenge by burning the place where they were humiliated and replacing it with something new that they now view as heaven, rising from the ashes. Perhaps she herself is on a revenge mission against a god or two and is in her own way sympathetic towards those she would take in as her followers? She might even have been an Auspah who was left stranded by a god on Muspell and had somehow managed to ascend. Prepare for hell on RuneScape in Naval Cataclysm!

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03-Jan-2017 17:36:47

Padomenes

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@Healthorg Queen of Ashes doesn't sound like a "fascist". Sounds a bit more like a Socialist or just revolution orientated in her ideal although we are not sure what spectrum yet(Democratic/Authoritarian-Socialist? Ranging from Stalinist, or Maoist to Trotskyist) or a Jacobin(Like Maximilien Robespierre). Either way we don't know yet, she supposedly acts like Saradomin or Armadyl but also in some way like Zamorak at the same time. A non-pacifist "Anti-Bandos".

Bandos himself sounded more fascist though as he believed in "survival of the fittest" and outright extermination of those he considered "weak" such as races. She sounds like the one who would make them retaliate against him by banding together in sheer numbers.

But wouldn't be technically a "villain" like Bandos. We haven't heard enough of her yet to judge. That's more reserved for Xau-Tak?

03-Jan-2017 22:34:06 - Last edited on 03-Jan-2017 22:51:33 by Padomenes

Edcy

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My what curious off-topics rise from the ocean of whole different subjects! This ash princess seems very shelterious and very likely to be a play for so called working union that fights for those underpaid workers that don't seem to have guts of their own.

But hey i must retain the topic, yes?

To my eye, you all from different so called factions should start to understand by now that if your standing behind one card against all others, it will never end the distress. If i were you, i'd play with all the cards! But honestly i do not, my ways just have happened to form into many similiar ways of many those that you follow, like they aren't the inventors of Justice, Control, Chaos, Balance, War and so on? Not indeed! You should determine your own view on things. And if that's following a deity blindly trusting them all the way, so be it! But alas, some of you have view of having the need to invade other views and force them to yours, now this is such view that will most likely never find the peace it so well declares to thrive for.

ok enuf laid has fun climbin over that wall of text

05-Jan-2017 08:54:43 - Last edited on 05-Jan-2017 09:05:50 by Edcy

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Nature Rosa

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Edcy said :
My what curious off-topics rise from the ocean of whole different subjects! This ash princess seems very shelterious and very likely to be a play for so called working union that fights for those underpaid workers that don't seem to have guts of their own.

But hey i must retain the topic, yes?

To my eye, you all from different so called factions should start to understand by now that if your standing behind one card against all others, it will never end the distress. If i were you, i'd play with all the cards! But honestly i do not, my ways just have happened to form into many similiar ways of many those that you follow, like they aren't the inventors of Justice, Control, Chaos, Balance, War and so on? Not indeed! You should determine your own view on things. And if that's following a deity blindly trusting them all the way, so be it! But alas, some of you have view of having the need to invade other views and force them to yours, now this is such view that will most likely never find the peace it so well declares to thrive for.

ok enuf laid has fun climbin over that wall of text
tbh, after reading this a few times...and sorta understanding it...that is a respectable view. Open your eyes and see all! Roses are pink
Violets are violet
The WG is a dangerous sociopath with a long history of violence.

05-Jan-2017 23:57:59

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