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Padomenes

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ZAmorakZaros said :
Padomenes said :
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Yeah it was kind justified for the goal of order/security. He has had experience and knowledge of how order fails and also how to stop it more than anybody else.

Anybody who says otherwise like CD_Stormfront_C that he shouldn't have fought back against that enemy on the homworld is the kind of idiot who would say "Why aren't you letting them invade you?!"

When you have a hostile force that is killing, plundering and clearly wants to destroy you without stopping its clearly a "Kill or be killed" situation and very intense. From Saradomin's perspective somebody undermining his military was EXTREMELY dangerous to the order.
"There are some who understand no other discussion"

Says the one who did not listen to Zamorak trying to talk in the third age...
I would have? Infact I pity him for being both misguided and having a bleeding heart at the same time, would be a waste. But you've got to understand, Saradomin follows long-term morality and not that short-term "in the moment" type. He just follows this thesis on how to stop chaos and maintain order, and so far there is zero evidence of it "failing miserably" like it happened to other civilisations so he continues to follow his current step-by-step procedures for order. Has a "Zamorak" kind of situation happened to him yet much less a successful one?

Its done out of insecurity of Order being threatened, not just pure "anger". Which is a response to the insecurity btw. Saradomin was afraid if he spared Zamorak far in the future he would become a threat then look for a way to say, kill him once his back is turned. He makes decisions based on how things will end up in the distant future, not the present.

21-Dec-2016 14:34:55 - Last edited on 21-Dec-2016 15:13:53 by Padomenes

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This quest confirms, without a doubt, the suspicion I've had all along that Saradomin is not a good smurf. I honestly think I would support Zaros over him, which is saying something..
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21-Dec-2016 15:34:15

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A Mighty said :
This quest confirms, without a doubt, the suspicion I've had all along that Saradomin is not a good smurf. I honestly think I would support Zaros over him, which is saying something..

I don't know about that. He was willing to give up the Stone to save his smurfette daughter.
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21-Dec-2016 16:18:24

Edcy

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Wow ie be wif your dillemmas everyone! Most hilarious interious how one points out how everything else but Saradomin is being talked about when Saradomin has been on front paper for years already!

22-Dec-2016 00:21:22

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Edcy said :
Wow ie be wif your dillemmas everyone! Most hilarious interious how one points out how everything else but Saradomin is being talked about when Saradomin has been on front paper for years already!
Somehow they find Zamorak ok when he stated he enjoyed the near-genocide or extinction of the Aviansies to Armadyl, enjoyed it and said he couldn't wait to do it again.

We need more gods who drove races to extinction or close that show no remorse/guilt and claim to enjoy it(A god who says literally "I love genocide, I enjoy killing everybody." ) that cannot be killed of no matter how many players hate them or are outraged at it instead in contrast to Saradomin to show the difference of how "bad" they actually are compared. Then they can stop whining and see what is actually "bad". I'm surprised his not on their "hate/kill-list" and they aren't whining about it.

In the current turn of things it seems: Zaros is to Saradomin, as Bandos is to Zamorak and Seren is to Armadyl or Brassica is to Marimbo.

22-Dec-2016 04:49:38 - Last edited on 22-Dec-2016 15:07:05 by Padomenes

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Well. It is a shame that i was once Saradominist, that I looked up to him. That I was his knight.

NO MORE!

I will not be a slave!

Saradomin's only good point as of now is that he values his daughter, Adrasteia above the Stone! I can only hope that Adrasteia is nothing like her dad.

22-Dec-2016 13:28:39

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Solmestix said :
Well. It is a shame that i was once Saradominist, that I looked up to him. That I was his knight.

NO MORE!

I will not be a slave!

Saradomin's only good point as of now is that he values his daughter, Adrasteia above the Stone! I can only hope that Adrasteia is nothing like her dad.

From what I hear she hates her dad, so she probably isn't like her dad.

22-Dec-2016 16:48:10

Padomenes

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Zack3 said :
Solmestix said :
Well. It is a shame that i was once Saradominist, that I looked up to him. That I was his knight.

NO MORE!

I will not be a slave!

Saradomin's only good point as of now is that he values his daughter, Adrasteia above the Stone! I can only hope that Adrasteia is nothing like her dad.

From what I hear she hates her dad, so she probably isn't like her dad.
You can't blame somebody for having a survival mindset, Saradomin is afraid if his order cracks that all hell will break loose. Everything will go into chaos and people will die/be in misery. Its the same mindset as somebody trying to survive an apocalypse but think of it this way, replace "apocalypse" with chaos and the effect it has on prosperity/happiness. This is how he feels and you can't blame him. Saradomin is a widely marginazed and persecuted god irrefutably.

Mewzard said :
Saradomin's talk about his mortal origin had this bit:

"I was a justicar on Teragard, one tasked with upholding and enforcing the law. I risked my life each day to preserve order and protect the innocent. At times the forces of avarice and corruption I fought against seemed insurmountable. Upholding the law was a tough yet noble duty, and my obsession. It took its toll on me, and my family , but my community thrived as a result. Perhaps that's why the Crown chose me. It could sense in me that drive for order. That yearning for the world to be the best it could."

I wonder if it's less control and more that his endless quest to help the world had, at some point, unknowingly driven a wedge between Saradomin and his daughter, that she felt abandoned and uncared for in the grand scheme of things. Maybe her disappearance opened Saradomin's eyes that he was repeating his mortal history and he cared too much about her to let that happen again.

23-Dec-2016 02:44:56 - Last edited on 24-Dec-2016 06:52:26 by Padomenes

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For my personal preference, Bandos was my favourite God once I'd become learned, and Saradomin was my favourite God from when I started playing the game (Saragorgak ftw), so read my words with a pinch of salt, although I shall try to remain neutral.
Saradomin is the only competent ruler out there and anyone who says otherwise needs their dad to tell them how the world works. Going mental over the Garlandia incident seems to be the major evil, when it's really quite minor compared to, say, Zamorak's incredible genocide streak (Cthonian, Forinthrian, Chaos Dwarves count as a half-genocide). Not that I'm against these actions because I can understand the mindset that Zamorak was in.

In my opinion, the worst event that we have heard regarding Saradomin is the whole Naragun incident. I believe it offered a firm insight into the human side of Saradomin. The man evidently has issues, and he has issues regarding said issues (I.E. controlling his temperament) and thus, even as an ages-old God, he still succumbs to his selfish, human side. Not that this is a bad thing, as it saves him from being a senseless robot (I.E. Zaros).

Preparing to forgo the Stone of Jas simply so he could save his daughter is highly admirable in my personal opinion. The rational God side of Saradomin would likely have kept the stone and judged his daughter as collateral- this would be regarded by everyone as insane, etc, but perhaps it's evidence that his bouts of temper and human side show when something personally threatening occurs, as is known as our Lizard brain. This could perhaps be why the Naragun incident occurred in the first place, we don't have a clear knowledge of the situation and I personally regard it as a Senntisten throne room situation; you have to be there to know.

Of course, the Garlandia situation can also be used as an explanation for the point above.

P.S: @Zamorakzaros judging Saradomin differently because of previous race is an absolutely abhorrent argument.
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23-Dec-2016 18:06:49 - Last edited on 23-Dec-2016 18:07:47 by Nasty Smell

Edcy

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Padomenes said :
Edcy said :
Wow ie be wif your dillemmas everyone! Most hilarious interious how one points out how everything else but Saradomin is being talked about when Saradomin has been on front paper for years already!
Somehow they find Zamorak ok when he stated he enjoyed the near-genocide or extinction of the Aviansies to Armadyl, enjoyed it and said he couldn't wait to do it again.

We need more gods who drove races to extinction or close that show no remorse/guilt and claim to enjoy it(A god who says literally "I love genocide, I enjoy killing everybody." ) that cannot be killed of no matter how many players hate them or are outraged at it instead in contrast to Saradomin to show the difference of how "bad" they actually are compared. Then they can stop whining and see what is actually "bad". I'm surprised his not on their "hate/kill-list" and they aren't whining about it.

In the current turn of things it seems: Zaros is to Saradomin, as Bandos is to Zamorak and Seren is to Armadyl or Brassica is to Marimbo.


I'm unsure if ye quoted right post lad, but if you did i'm tad unsure of means of displays for response or whatever so ever but certainly hope is not another attempt to point out pointlessness as there IS such in my say, it simply doesn't yield in for the short-sighted~

23-Dec-2016 20:34:42

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