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Hazeel

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I'm surprised you didn't mention him going full Palpatine on us with his "Let the hate flow through you!" comment or that he's happy to abandon his humanity and everything he loved for the sake of his godhood. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

20-Dec-2016 05:07:04

CD_Paladin_C

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Hazeel said :
I'm surprised you didn't mention him going full Palpatine on us with his "Let the hate flow through you!" comment or that he's happy to abandon his humanity and everything he loved for the sake of his godhood.

That's why you need to follow my twitter
"Your god's dead next time he's in a world event. "
-The Lore Community to our Saradominist Friends, Said During World Event 2, Proven During World Event 3.
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20-Dec-2016 05:23:18

Mewzard
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Uh, Paladin, you missed the first bit of Saradomin's talk on "Control":

"You mean control them?

Sardomin: You say that as though it were a bad thing. People need to be led. They need governments. They need leaders. They need structures. Freedom doesn't mean anarchy. Just as control doesn't have to mean slavery. I offer guidance and leadership. Law and order."

Also, Saradomin's comments on Seren seem to explain why he thinks he's the best qualified for the job:

"Sardomin: Seren thinks of herself as a good, kind, deity, but she is a fraud. She enslaved her people and she refuses to help anyone beyond her precious elves. A benevolent god would seek to protect all people, not just a subset.

Would you?

Sardomin: What alternative is there? Understand. I do not say this out of arrogance. I have lived millennia, and in that time I have seen countless governments rise and fall. There is a pattern to the ascendance and collapse of civilisation. A cycle of tragedy. I have the knowledge to break this cycle, and most importantly the will to lead everyone forwards. Is it wrong to use this knowledge? Gielinor, and other worlds, would be bought to a new future. A utopia. Other gods can claim this, but only I have the experience necessary to make it happen. "

I feel Jagex balanced Saradomin's good and bad points well in the quest, if you're willing to look for both. He's really an interesting character, and I hope I have the chance as World Guardian to help him grow as a person and as a god. Maybe his daughter is the key. He was willing to give up the greatest source of power, what could have made him Tier 2, for the love of a child.

20-Dec-2016 06:25:26

Padomenes

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CD_Paladin_C said :
First we got Zamorak chiming in
Original message details are unavailable.

Zamorak: Do you really need to ask me opinion on that hypocrite? Saradomin would see the universe as his great empire. Everyone trapped in roles he has chosen (Sic:for) them. What he preaches to his followers is nothing more than a life of moral slavery. He would see free will crushed and removed and his will raised above all. I feel sorry for his followers, I truely do, they do not see that they are forging their own chains and shackling us all.

Wowie. But the sad thing is is that everyone above is a "Biased npc" and can't be trusted. Only way that we accept this is if it came straight from Saradomin's own mouth. Too bad that didn't happen, oh wait it did.

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Saradomin: Under my 'control', people could thrive. Everyone would have the reassurance that they know where they belong and how they should behave. This people crave. Deep down everyone wants to know where they sit in the world. What you call control, I would argue is true freedom. Freedom to know how life should be lived and how to fulfill one's potential.

Wowie. As we can see Saradomin wants to take control of everyone and assign them to a role and make sure they do that role. That my friends is authoritarianism.

Let's not forget that Saradomin doesn't want peace with the gods, he wants servitude.
Same could be said with Zaros who wants to turn Saradomin into a permanent envoy under his service(Which wouldn't work because his not dumb enough to fall for it) and "become fate" to determine everybody's role in not just hierarchy but in existence?

Why are you still in a faction about Control/Order the exact same way but just in a different form? Somehow its perfectly ok when Zaros does it but never when its another.

20-Dec-2016 08:58:14 - Last edited on 20-Dec-2016 09:07:11 by Padomenes

Uncle Harper
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On Zaros and fate...he mentions to Seren that he does not believe in Destiny. So therefore not fate. Maybe it is only Control. Saradomin is extremely flawed. So is Zaros. The difference is Saradomin's is on display for the world to see and Zaros is more enigmatic as Armadyl put it. I have seen the dark universe yawning, where the black planets roll without aim;
Where they roll in their horror unheeded, without knowledge or lustre or name.

20-Dec-2016 15:56:45

Hazeel

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It almost feels like Saradomin is envious of Zaros and trying to be more like him. Like he saw the Empire, coveted it, and wanted to make his own but seize even more control than Zaros. They are very similar. They long for complete control, they both have an ends justify the means mentality, and they're even starting to sound alike:

"I will not be denied"

The only thing seperating them is their humanity. Zaros has none. And Saradomin...he seems eager to try and remove his own. He seems to thing that leading the peoples means you can no longer be one of them and this is why I see him as dangerous. Say what you will about Zamorak, but he never forgot who he was. And as much as I don't like Armadyl, the same applies to him too. He might favor his aviansie with as much bias as Seren to her elves, but he never forgot his identity as a man. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

20-Dec-2016 17:07:39

Hazeel

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Roland Lyons said :
The Garlandia Incident was justified


Image is broken. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

20-Dec-2016 18:33:25

Roland Lyons
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Hazeel said :
Roland Lyons said :
The Garlandia Incident was justified


Image is broken. http://i.imgur.com/nZBphZx.png

Sorry, dunno how image formatting on the forums works.

T Ancalagon said :
Roland Lyons said :
The Garlandia Incident was justified


It really wasn't :( Yes, yes it was
I will protect Gielinor. Zaros has no love for its people.

-Saradomin, Polemarchos Autokrator

20-Dec-2016 19:14:05 - Last edited on 20-Dec-2016 19:15:29 by Roland Lyons

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