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Padomenes

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But we don't know why or how they were razed and from what context because I just asked Mod Jack on twitter. He confirmed most to eventually all humans in the former Zarosian Empire who didn't become Zamorakian nor join in the fighting chose to convert to Saradomin. I remember somewhere a source said that Saranthium retained alot of the architecture from the empire or something awhile ago but not where. If it was ruined buildings of course they would have to be razed in the construction or its also entirely possible they got razed in the fighting.

So all the humans living today in the lands that used to belong to Zaros, were descended from the ones which lived in the empire or most atleast.

https://twitter.com/JagexJack/status/822095473859264513

"Depends on when. Eventually, all of them, since they're all Saradominist by the Fifth Age." ~Mod Jack and this sounds like a process that happened/occurred gradually. Not right on the spot, they liked/enjoyed the quality of life Saradominist administrations of government gave them after living under it and so most all converted.

What happens if Saradomin didn't kill the civilians whom continued to worship what he saw as a "dead god", left them alone and the only ones who died were those who did so in combat fighting back at the "occupiers" coming in?

Because as Jack confirmed, the remaining Zarosians whom stayed behind did not die. They all converted eventually to Saradomin's following.

You can compare this to how the Romans converted to Christianity and completely changed their culture etc after the Empire fell. The inhabitants were still alive but the empire was "destroyed" along with many former features.

20-Jan-2017 03:05:42 - Last edited on 20-Jan-2017 04:34:28 by Padomenes

CD_Paladin_C

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Padomenes said :
But we don't know why or how they were razed and from what context because I just asked Mod Jack on twitter. He confirmed most to eventually all humans in the former Zarosian Empire who didn't become Zamorakian nor join in the fighting chose to convert to Saradomin. I remember somewhere a source said that Saranthium retained alot of the architecture from the empire or something awhile ago but not where. If it was ruined buildings of course they would have to be razed in the construction or its also entirely possible they got razed in the fighting.

So all the humans living today in the lands that used to belong to Zaros, were descended from the ones which lived in the empire or most atleast.

https://twitter.com/JagexJack/status/822095473859264513

"Depends on when. Eventually, all of them, since they're all Saradominist by the Fifth Age." ~Mod Jack and this sounds like a process that happened/occurred gradually. Not right on the spot, they liked/enjoyed the quality of life Saradominist administrations of government gave them after living under it and so most all converted.

What happens if Saradomin didn't kill the civilians whom continued to worship what he saw as a "dead god", left them alone and the only ones who died were those who did so in combat fighting back at the "occupiers" coming in?

Because as Jack confirmed, the remaining Zarosians whom stayed behind did not die. They all converted eventually to Saradomin's following.


:^)

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20-Jan-2017 03:48:20

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Padomenes said :
But we don't know why or how they were razed and from what context because I just asked Mod Jack on twitter. He confirmed most to eventually all humans in the former Zarosian Empire who didn't become Zamorakian nor join in the fighting chose to convert to Saradomin.


Or, you know, they were subjugated and forced to keep their religion a secret in order to not become targets for the followers of other gods (Book of the Gods: Zaros), and the religion eventually died off due to not being able to openly practice it and the destruction of most information about Zaros and his Empire. But sure they 'chose' to convert.

Padomenes said :
I remember somewhere a source said that Saranthium retained alot of the architecture from the empire or something awhile ago but not where. If it was ruined buildings of course they would have to be razed in the construction or its also entirely possible they got razed in the fighting.


Hmm... Somehow all/most of the buildings in a city get ruined in a period of less than 64 years at the same time Saradomin takes control of the city. Considering the city belonged to the Zamorakians at that point, I'll give you one guess as to who is most likely responsible for, at the very least, damaging most of the buildings enough to justify replacing them (so much for wanting to preserve it) or, at worst, deliberately destroyed them.

Are you seriously insinuating that Senntisten lasted 100 generations under the assault of the armies of multiple gods, and it wasn't until Saradomin conquered it that massive amounts of buildings suddenly 'needed to be replaced.'

20-Jan-2017 04:49:43

Hguoh

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Padomenes said :
Because as Jack confirmed, the remaining Zarosians whom stayed behind did not die. They all converted eventually to Saradomin's following.


But that's not what he said. All he said was that by the 5th age all the people in the former Zarosian Empire were now Saradominist. It makes no claim as to how many Zarosians actually survived long enough for their descendants to convert.

As others brought up in response to Mod Jack's answer, the Desert Bandits exist, Zarosians who fled the Empire and managed to survive. How many others were forced to flee and died as a result, and how many died who couldn't or wouldn't flee.

Yes, some would have converted immediately, and more would have converted over time. But neither Mod Jack's statement nor that conclusion say anything with regards to whether or not Zarosians were killed.

20-Jan-2017 04:59:24

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Hguoh said :
Padomenes said :
Because as Jack confirmed, the remaining Zarosians whom stayed behind did not die. They all converted eventually to Saradomin's following.


But that's not what he said. All he said was that by the 5th age all the people in the former Zarosian Empire were now Saradominist. It makes no claim as to how many Zarosians actually survived long enough for their descendants to convert.

As others brought up in response to Mod Jack's answer, the Desert Bandits exist, Zarosians who fled the Empire and managed to survive. How many others were forced to flee and died as a result, and how many died who couldn't or wouldn't flee.

Yes, some would have converted immediately, and more would have converted over time. But neither Mod Jack's statement nor that conclusion say anything with regards to whether or not Zarosians were killed.


Haha that was me :P

and like i said: There is evidence that a lot were killed. Not necessarily by Saradomin though but by whomever invaded.

Azzanadra: Goodness only knows what befell the troops and citizens, but we can safely assume they didn't give up without a fight.
Player: How do you know that?
Azzanadra: When defenders submit, their city is often taken over, but when they fight to the death, their city is typically destroyed.

20-Jan-2017 15:58:56 - Last edited on 20-Jan-2017 16:01:41 by Cthris

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No one has posted anything new since Jan 20 but somehow this stays on the front page...

Really makes me think.
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07-Feb-2017 01:26:18

CD_Paladin_C

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With the re-release of Sliske's endgame, I've decided to bump this since we can now re-reflect on everything that transpired and a year later, look at of the examples of #Saradoministlivesdontmatter especially after Evil Dave's Big Day Out. "Your god's dead next time he's in a world event. "
-The Lore Community to our Saradominist Friends, Said During World Event 2, Proven During World Event 3.
#StopSaradomin

29-Jan-2018 22:52:51

Zulkir

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I'm glad this thread is here, especially now that we can Replay Endgame to get all the Saradomin dialogue we can out of him.

While I think we should send this thread off eventually due to its specific link to Endgame, I'm absolutely certain the information we've learned from it can be used to create more threads in the future by your good self Paladin, thank you for always keeping on top of this for the community. :)
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03-Feb-2018 21:08:27 - Last edited on 03-Feb-2018 21:08:47 by Zulkir

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Rensler said :
Lethal who do you follow again?


Who knows? Personally that sig screams "Armadylean" to me.
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04-Feb-2018 03:35:05

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