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Sliske
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A wonderful read, surely the greatest compilation of Dragonkin lore I've ever seen! Kudos to you Rondstat! :)

Honestly I currently have very little to add to your analysis, it's both extensive and supported. I'll be going through all the dkin sources I can and attempting to think of more to potentially expand my knowledge further, so hopefully I can come with something to add!
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12-Apr-2015 22:23:41

Michael7050
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Rondstat said :
Michael7050 said :
While this is probably, ultimately irrelevant, does anyone else suspect that the CFPB arena is of Dragonkin Make?

The Architecture is certainly very similar..

The Cabbage Facepunch dungeon is supposed to be Marimboian - that's what all the monkey statues are about. My first impulse is to say that the visual similarity is just graphical recycling, using the Brimhaven kit to convey the impression of a jungle dungeon.

However, I'm reminded of another piece of lore that suggests there may be more to it than that. In Robert the Strong's 'Dragonkin Primer,' there are Kin names for some human settlements, the areas now known as Taverly, Varrock, and Lumbridge. 'Herethen' would already have a druidic presence in the early 4th age, and 'aV'rok' would have existed as the outskirts of Saranthium.

But we don't know of any early 4th age settlements in 'Istruthen,' Lumbridge. The town wasn't established until the end of the 4th Age, and Robert's book couldn't have been written any later than perhaps 4.150. There was a village there in the 2nd Age, but it would have been destroyed or abandoned by the 3rd. Maybe Istruthen is not the name of a human settlement, but the name of some forgotten, dilapidated Kin outpost.

Actually, iirc, if you talk to the Quartermaster (Head farmer?), he mentions the dungeon having always existed, just noone knew about it. Marimbo and Brassica Prime just opened it up and turned it into an arena.

I would say that there is a very real possibility that it was a Dragonkin Dungeon originally.

Of course, I cant imagine that this would ever have an impact on the lore. Quest Cape Best Cape

16-Apr-2015 12:12:08

Rondstat

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Today's summer special video reveals that Dragonkin will play a large role in upcoming quest 'Hero's Welcome,' which appears to deal with V's return to the Fremennik as a god.

Some notable observations~

-Concept art for what appears to be a new dragonkin, with a unique 8-horn design and a much more sinister appearance.

-Current ingame information (Moonclan manual, Ourania dialogue, WGS) suggests that V's contact with the Stone of Jas was very brief, and his leadership of the Moonclan had more to do with their access to rune essence and incipient control of magic. If he is indeed a god, that raises the question - where did this power come from? Did he spend more time with the SoJ than we thought? Did he eventually leave Gielinor and rediscover the SoJ on Kethsi? Did his contact give him knowledge of other artefacts, and lead him to seek out these and godhood by another means?

-Are Dragonkin involved because they targeted V- for his touching/possible abuse of the Stone?

-There are a few draconic motifs in V's armour - are these significant? A symbol of triumph over the Kin who pursued him? Or could he perhaps have even become some manner of ally with a faction of Dragonkin?

-The symbols in the 'Temple of V' bear a marked similarity to Aviansie writing. It's been suggested (at least once by Osborne, but I'm not sure if ever ingame) that a number of Fremmenik followed Armadyl in the 2nd Age. The Moonclan have never had a stated allegiance to a particular god - could the assumption of V being Guthixian be wrong? Or could his early followers have been originally Armadylean? Or was it perhaps a cultural convention that just gave the educated Fremennik of the 2nd Age an Aviansie writing system? Or (most likely) it's just superficial resemblance.

26-May-2015 23:19:59

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Great news! Perhaps we shall also learn why the top of the lunar staff appears to be a pair of draconic wings: if these are merely decorative, if these are a symbol of those who removed the Stone from them, or if they have a deeper meaning...

26-May-2015 23:43:26

Dionysius
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Note to Rondstat:

This gives me thought for your Stone of Jas Timeline thread...
Perhaps it wasn't the Kethsians who removed the Stone of Jas from V---, perhaps the Dragonkin were "those who walk a higher astral path". This could have many meanings - the kin are both more magically capable than the Fremennik were at the time and if you want to look at it literally - they predate the current cycle of existence, truly they have travelled through the astral path (space).

As for what this could potentially mean, who knows. It might mean that we need to reshuffle some of the locations, since as discussed, the Kethsian use of the Stone still had to have occurred by the mid-late Second Age, as Zaros gained control of the World Gate which is how they retrieved the Stone and the Stone was in Zamorak's hands by the late Second Age. The original Wise Old Man

28-May-2015 02:52:19

Rondstat

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Two big pieces of Dragonkin content coming this month! Superhype!

Alright, there's a lot to unpack in the BTS

-Finally confirmed that the Kethsian Mage Conclave's World Gate is the same as GIelinor's world gate ~ it seems to hold a place of honour at Mt. Firewake (love the design there, too)

-Adamant and Runite dragons appear quite different than others, who have clearly defined backswept crests and more muscular torsos. Adamant in particular is much more serpentine, and Runite has a weird half circle thing around its head. Do they come from different wyrm stock than other dragons? Perhaps they were created later?

-It's more or less confirmed that the Dactyl made it to Kethsi - it even has its own Ancient Cavern style ring! Did they accompany the Necrosy*tes to study them/the Kethsians/their destruction of Kethsians? Did they venture to Kethsi after the fact?

-Dragonkin will serve as the main antagonists for Hero's Welcome! Dragonkin using dragons as guards, which must mean Necrosy*tes. Hopefully we'll get more lore on their use of dragons.

-At least one new location, which appears to be a snowy island, and a Kin outpost.

-V's main symbol appears to be a portal of some kind. Is this tied to where he's been or his ascension? And, as he appears to be a crusader against the Kin, I wonder if there will be any overlap/acknowledgement of Robert (since V appears to pre/post-date hime)

-Not Kin related, but it's curious that Fremennik appear to cheer V's return. There is at least one moonclannie shown in Relleka in the BTS, though, so maybe she's some kind of recruiter/herald.

This looks like an amazing month, looking forward to all of it!

05-Jun-2015 17:58:04

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