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Hazeel

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When the Naragi tried to use Tuska to save them? Sure, that could be called a God War. But the centuries before that with Saradom vs the Naragi? Mmmm...I'm don't think "God War" would be right. I'm not even sure if "war" is appropiate. The word I'm looking for leans closer to "genocide" or "massacre". Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

01-Nov-2016 07:11:51

Chaos Lupus

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Here it is.

Q: Zamorak says he is "deeply remorseful" about what happened to the Chaos Dwarves. What was his intent with the power he gave them, if it all went according to plan? Was it simply an offer of power to those willing to fight for his cause, or something else?

Mod Ollie: "in return for their unwavering devotion I gave them power beyond any they had known before" - He didn't just give them power, he also forced them into servitude. I expect that his intentions were simply to create a powerful force that would be loyal to his cause, but by cursing them he caused them to eventually become corrupted, mindless beings which was clearly not a consequence he originally intended.
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01-Nov-2016 13:09:13

Chaos Lupus

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Hazeel said :
When the Naragi tried to use Tuska to save them? Sure, that could be called a God War. But the centuries before that with Saradom vs the Naragi? Mmmm...I'm don't think "God War" would be right. I'm not even sure if "war" is appropiate. The word I'm looking for leans closer to "genocide" or "massacre".

Massacre, sure, but I don't think that genocide fits with what Saradomin did on Naragun. Some of the naragi did eventually join his side, after all. Not that they had much choice, but Saradomin was clearly set on conquest, rather than wiping out the race.

Although now that I say it, that might actually put him in an even worse light. If some of the naragi joined him, then why aren't there, to our knowledge, any remaining in the universe? Unless something akin to the ilujanka's infertility issue plagued them, or they were killed off by another threat later on, it would seem that Saradomin abandoned them after his defeat at the hands (or tusks, rather) of Tuska. With that, the question also arises of whether or not he also abandoned his other followers on Naragun. Of course, having just recently been defeated, it's also possible that he didn't have the power to transport everyone to another plane. After all, the lore regarding the difficulty of teleportation to other worlds is rather inconsistent.
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01-Nov-2016 13:19:09

Ancient Drew

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Chaos Lupus said :
Here it is.

Q: Zamorak says he is "deeply remorseful" about what happened to the Chaos Dwarves. What was his intent with the power he gave them, if it all went according to plan? Was it simply an offer of power to those willing to fight for his cause, or something else?

Mod Ollie: "in return for their unwavering devotion I gave them power beyond any they had known before" - He didn't just give them power, he also forced them into servitude. I expect that his intentions were simply to create a powerful force that would be loyal to his cause, but by cursing them he caused them to eventually become corrupted, mindless beings which was clearly not a consequence he originally intended. Plus what he did ended up depriving the other dwarves of their magic, with the exceptions being the chaos dwarves and the Imcando who Saradomin took in. The Imcando are said to be the best at smithing, so the Temple Knights might actually have the best weapons and armour.

As for being mindless, does this mean that the chaos dwarves' construction and machine making skills have deteriorated too? This might be what Zamorak was talking about. Prepare for hell on RuneScape in Naval Cataclysm!

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01-Nov-2016 13:19:37

Ancient Drew

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Though to speak of gods, I have to say I disagree most with Zamorak so far due to my belief that chaos achieves nothing without an order of some kind, but I wouldn't consider him a devil any more since he saved someone who went through child abuse, and he's shown to have somewhat decent intentions. Even his power hungry attitude is just a product of his culture, much like Saradomin inheriting some of his views from Teragardian culture.

I'm more interested in killing Sliske with fire, even though he's not a god.

And of course I don't know what Xau-Tak wants, or if it even thinks of wanting, but it seems to be a soul eating threat that needs to be destroyed asap. Prepare for hell on RuneScape in Naval Cataclysm!

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01-Nov-2016 13:38:58

Chaos Lupus

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Ancient Drew said :
Though to speak of gods, I have to say I disagree most with Zamorak so far due to my belief that chaos achieves nothing without an order of some kind , but I wouldn't consider him a devil any more since he saved someone who went through child abuse, and he's shown to have somewhat decent intentions. Even his power hungry attitude is just a product of his culture, much like Saradomin inheriting some of his views from Teragardian culture.

I'm more interested in killing Sliske with fire, even though he's not a god.

And of course I don't know what Xau-Tak wants, or if it even thinks of wanting, but it seems to be a soul eating threat that needs to be destroyed asap.

I'd argue that Zamorak would agree with you there. He advocates for the strength to overcome chaos and hardship, not anarchy. In the book of the gods, when he demonstrates his philosophy to Moia, he allows the people of the village to rebuild and establish a stronger form of order than they had before. If Zamorak opposed order in all its forms, he wouldn't be capable of maintaining any semblance of organization within his own faction.
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01-Nov-2016 13:52:53

Mazakon

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Chaos Lupus said :
Here it is.

Q: Zamorak says he is "deeply remorseful" about what happened to the Chaos Dwarves. What was his intent with the power he gave them, if it all went according to plan? Was it simply an offer of power to those willing to fight for his cause, or something else?

Mod Ollie: "in return for their unwavering devotion I gave them power beyond any they had known before" - He didn't just give them power, he also forced them into servitude. I expect that his intentions were simply to create a powerful force that would be loyal to his cause, but by cursing them he caused them to eventually become corrupted, mindless beings which was clearly not a consequence he originally intended.

To me, this reads as quite similar to what happened with Seren and her elves, where they both tried to give their followers something and a side effect of unwilling loyalty was created. Of course, they were for very different reasons and purposes.
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01-Nov-2016 15:32:39

Cthris
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Mazakon said :
Chaos Lupus said :
Here it is.

Q: Zamorak says he is "deeply remorseful" about what happened to the Chaos Dwarves. What was his intent with the power he gave them, if it all went according to plan? Was it simply an offer of power to those willing to fight for his cause, or something else?

Mod Ollie: "in return for their unwavering devotion I gave them power beyond any they had known before" - He didn't just give them power, he also forced them into servitude. I expect that his intentions were simply to create a powerful force that would be loyal to his cause, but by cursing them he caused them to eventually become corrupted, mindless beings which was clearly not a consequence he originally intended.

To me, this reads as quite similar to what happened with Seren and her elves, where they both tried to give their followers something and a side effect of unwilling loyalty was created. Of course, they were for very different reasons and purposes.

But how does your interpretation of the text account for this quote? " He didn't just give them power, he also forced them into servitude. "
Does the quote not imply that unwilling loyalty was the purpose and that they were not his followers?

01-Nov-2016 15:42:43

William Witt
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Hazeel said :
When the Naragi tried to use Tuska to save them? Sure, that could be called a God War. But the centuries before that with Saradom vs the Naragi? Mmmm...I'm don't think "God War" would be right. I'm not even sure if "war" is appropiate. The word I'm looking for leans closer to "genocide" or "massacre".

No, I'm arguing that it wasn't Saradomin vs. naragi, but Saradomin vs. other gods who didn't make a personal appearance in the memories.
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01-Nov-2016 15:58:27

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