RuneScape Forum Archive | Your antithesis god?

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2023

Cthris

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Hazeel said :

Not defending Zamorak BTW...but this is par for the course at this point.

Only asking this cause I just thought it was such a weird statement lol.... but if you aren't defending Zamorak then what exactly is the point of your response to Aviansie lol?

Chaos Lupus said :
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I am curious, though, when has Zamorak killed his friends/allies in order to keep them in line?
Wouldn't Char be an example of this? Was she not technically his ally (she thought he was an ally, he made no official act of war before this time etc.) when he turned on her in order to set an example for his other followers/keep them in line?

01-Nov-2016 01:07:12 - Last edited on 01-Nov-2016 01:11:12 by Cthris

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Cthris said :
Hazeel said :

Not defending Zamorak BTW...but this is par for the course at this point.

Only asking this cause I just thought it was such a weird statement lol.... but if you aren't defending Zamorak then what exactly is the point of your response to Aviansie lol?

Chaos Lupus said :
@ Aviansie
I am curious, though, when has Zamorak killed his friends/allies in order to keep them in line?
Wouldn't Char be an example of this? Was she not technically his ally (she thought he was an ally, he made no official act of war before this time etc.) when he turned on her in order to set an example for his other followers/keep them in line?

Criticizing other gods for similar actions is not the same as defending Zamorak. If anything, it's also being critical of Zamorak.

Char was clearly not a friend, and she never would have sided with Zamorak against Zaros. Zamorak knew this, and opted to get the better of her when the opportunity presented itself. Not yet knowing you have an enemy is not the same as having an ally.

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01-Nov-2016 01:18:11

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2004

An Aviansie

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To clarify:

I should have said that some of these so-called tyrannies don't really exist. I wouldn't really consider Zaros's old empire a tyranny, even if it wasn't exactly a great place to live. I wouldn't consider Saradomin a tyrant, either. Bandos, yeah, okay, that one is true.

Saradomin didn't destroy a planet or a continent. He destroyed a city. Was that screwed up? Hell yes, it was. But there are two key points being missed here: Saradomin regretted his actions and tried to defend the Naragi from the other attackers. Zamorak didn't regret anything and wasn't trying to defend anything.

By the way, sorry if I came off as overly hostile, Lupus. I've just been having a really rough day today.

At least I didn't blow up anyone or anything in a fit of rage, right?

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01-Nov-2016 01:18:24

Ascertes

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Oddly enough, the answer is...

Marimbo.

She stands against everything I hold dear. The entire concept of hedonism is enough to give me nightmares.

I don't think I need to indulge further. Those who know me know quite well why I stand against her. -Ascertes, King of all the Hallowlands and the Everchosen of Saradomin.

01-Nov-2016 01:20:44

Hazeel

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Cthris said :
Only asking this cause I just thought it was such a weird statement lol.... but if you aren't defending Zamorak then what exactly is the point of your response to Aviansie lol?

Correcting him. Same reason I replied to Lupus. I think it was the new VIP Q&A that confirmed Zamorak did intend to enslave them. Although they keep saying a lot things about this case. I recall one instance where a mod said that good dwarves wouldn't become Chaos Dwarves and only those who gave in to their vices would transform, which honestly changes my whole perspective for this. I just wish they'd confirm the official answer in game.

...And honestly, I'm more curious how the hell Zamorak was able to do this to begin with. That's a Tier 2 power he was using...

Cthris said :
Wouldn't Char be an example of this? Was she not technically his ally (she thought he was an ally, he made no official act of war before this time etc.) when he turned on her in order to set an example for his other followers/keep them in line?

I think Loopy's refering to "people he actually likes". Moia, Hazeel, Bilrach, K'ril, etc.

But come on now, even if Char was his BFF, he had the natural reaction after she tried to seduce him. Look at that face and tell me you wouldn't do the same thing.

An Aviansie said :
Saradomin didn't destroy a planet or a continent. He destroyed a city.

And then he went to war with them for centuries. It wasn't an outburst moment where he destroyed a city went "Oh crap I screwed up. Sorry, I have an anger issue." No, he made the conscious choice to go to war with them, kill them, take their land, and ultimately destroy it in the long run. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

01-Nov-2016 01:21:29 - Last edited on 01-Nov-2016 01:25:41 by Hazeel

Chaos Lupus

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An Aviansie said :
To clarify:

I should have said that some of these so-called tyrannies don't really exist. I wouldn't really consider Zaros's old empire a tyranny, even if it wasn't exactly a great place to live. I wouldn't consider Saradomin a tyrant, either. Bandos, yeah, okay, that one is true.

Saradomin didn't destroy a planet or a continent. He destroyed a city. Was that screwed up? Hell yes, it was. But there are two key points being missed here: Saradomin regretted his actions and tried to defend the Naragi from the other attackers. Zamorak didn't regret anything and wasn't trying to defend anything.

By the way, sorry if I came off as overly hostile, Lupus. I've just been having a really rough day today.

At least I didn't blow up anyone or anything in a fit of rage, right?

I honestly didn't notice anything hostile.

Anyway, Saradomin being sorry does nothing to repair the damage of his actions. Though I'd also add that we don't know whether or not Zamorak is regretful, as we've never asked him about it, only witnessed the flashback (for the record, I'd rather he didn't regret it, from a story perspective). A tyrant is a cruel and oppressive leader. Like I said, you can certainly make a solid argument for Zamorak being a tyrant, but I think there's more than enough evidence to do the same for many of the other major gods.

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01-Nov-2016 01:26:19

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2023

Cthris

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Hazeel said :
Cthris said :
Only asking this cause I just thought it was such a weird statement lol.... but if you aren't defending Zamorak then what exactly is the point of your response to Aviansie lol?

Correcting him. .

Okay. But what did you correct in regards to An Aviansie lol? Did I miss a response where you contradicted something An Aviansie had said in An Aviansie's first post? or did you simply just "Yes, but X also did this". That's not really correcting lol, is it?

Chaos Lupus said :

Char was clearly not a friend, and she never would have sided with Zamorak against Zaros. Zamorak knew this, and opted to get the better of her when the opportunity presented itself. Not yet knowing you have an enemy is not the same as having an ally.

If an alliance is a formal union of two parties in the pursuance of a goal, and Zamorak and Char were formally unified by Zaros to spy on Seren then Char and Zamorak are allies no?

01-Nov-2016 02:00:51

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William Witt

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Hazeel said :
And then he went to war with them for centuries. It wasn't an outburst moment where he destroyed a city went "Oh crap I screwed up. Sorry, I have an anger issue." No, he made the conscious choice to go to war with them, kill them, take their land, and ultimately destroy it in the long run.

Au contraire - Tribute to Guthix never says the war in question was Saradomin vs. the naragi. And Guthix in The World Wakes speaks of there being *many* gods. More and more came, war broke out, many died, many fled... So there have to have been more than just Saradomin, Tuska and Skargaroth. It is my belief that the war described in the pre-Tuska portion of the memories was actually Saradomin vs. another god(s).

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01-Nov-2016 02:07:31 - Last edited on 01-Nov-2016 02:07:47 by William Witt

Hazeel

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Cthris said :
Okay. But what did you correct in regards to An Aviansie lol? Did I miss a response where you contradicted something An Aviansie had said in An Aviansie's first post? or did you simply just "Yes, but X also did this". That's not really correcting lol, is it?

Oh it is. He was claiming that Zamorak was the only one to do many of these things when that's not true.

William Witt said :
Au contraire - Tribute to Guthix never says the war in question was Saradomin vs. the naragi.

Terrified refugees spoke of a blue man the size of a mountain. The diviners had angered him, they said, and in that anger he had razed the city. They pointed to a building on the horizon, built on the ruins of Askroth. The giant's army was marching downriver. Our cities were assembling armies of their own, but I didn’t see how they would stand a...

More Gods did join, yes, but...

...her sleep had been uneasy. Aagi slept with a frown, clutching her butterfly net. My heart ached to see her - my daughter, yet a child, who had lived her meagre few centuries in times of war. How long had it been since I'd heard her laugh? I considered sending her away with the refugees, more of whom left each year, but they were running out of places to go.

At daybreak, a distant sound roused me. I dashed outside to witness a huge, tusked creature crashing upon the white fortress of the blue giant. The blue giant materialised and grappled with the beast. My heart cried out with hope. Perhaps, finally, this strange beast was our salvation...

By the time he heard of Tuska, he had already been locked in war with Saradomin for centuries. And if you look at the bolded section, it's clear that by the time Tuska had come, this war had spread far and wide over the world. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

01-Nov-2016 02:15:33 - Last edited on 01-Nov-2016 02:16:03 by Hazeel

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2023

Cthris

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Hazeel said :
Cthris said :
Okay. But what did you correct in regards to An Aviansie lol? Did I miss a response where you contradicted something An Aviansie had said in An Aviansie's first post? or did you simply just "Yes, but X also did this". That's not really correcting lol, is it?

Oh it is. He was claiming that Zamorak was the only one to do many of these things when that's not true.

Okay, I see my mistake

I missed that part about the "Only". That's a really key piece of the argument for me to miss. Now your response makes sense

01-Nov-2016 02:41:14

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