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Quael said :
Adventurers asked a bunch of questions...


Re: wisps as Ports crew:
They’re a natural source of light (ideal for lifting spirits on dark, stormy seas). I’d like to think they exude the sense of warmth that a positive memory can have. They’re also strangely good at tying knots.

Re: anima/divine energy/divinity:
In simple terms, you could see it as anima being akin to natural resources (e.g. crude oil), divine energy being a refined version of them (e.g. petrol), and magic being the result of burning those fuels (e.g. combustion).

Re: World Gate/fairy rings:
Nothing on fairy magic here, but… You can teleport from plane to plane without these things, given enough power – the power requirement depends on the distance you are travelling (and I’d imagine the distance between planes increases the further you are from Gielinor. As (finally) put in-game canon with Memorial to Guthix, the fairy ring network was created from the physical part of the World Gate that used to be on Zanaris. The World Gate (the network is ‘the Gate’) provides the necessary power, which is why they are so notable. It’s also why fairy rings are only found on planes that are relatively close to Gielinor (or require increase power from external sources to go further, e.g. the one to Yubiusk).


Re: how we canonically handle unique objects:
Quite simply, we don’t. Including an in-universe explanation for ludo-narrative dissonance (a disconnect between gameplay and story) is not always desirable or favourable, often is a ‘fudge’, and it’s rarely necessary. You are the sole adventurer (of note); all other adventurers that you see are not special. There are only a handful canonically unique items (e.g. Godsword, Sunspear).

Re: Godless and Invention:
In the earliest concepts of the Godless, they were intrinsically connected with Invention. How else would mortals hope to match gods without some sort of artificial/scientific implementation of magical power? Whether or not that will still be the case whenever we get to making Godless content remains to be seen.

Re: the fallen nihil:
That growth would have occurred after, possibly only with assistance/intervention from the Queen of Ashes.

Re: nihil in general:
This is not canonical, I wonder if the nihil are, and have always been, finite in number, unable to reproduce.

Re: where the Church of Brassica Prime is located:
“Eat your greens; I am there. Turn the soil, and you will find me.”

Re: the planned (?) 7th Age???
Is it planned? (I don’t think so.) The 6th Age will suffice for a good while yet.

Re: if Zaros would have helped the Mahjarrat:
I’d like to think he would have helped them, yes. It makes the deal even worse for Zamorak that way – forcing Zaros to do something he would have done anyway.

Re: the universe, multiverse, planes and other jargon:
All of creation that we know of is the universe – it may have initially been referred to as a multiverse, but that was incorrect. We only truly revealed a multiverse with the release of Dimension of Disaster, with that alternate timeline based on the player not existing there. The terms ‘planes’ and ‘realms’ are mostly interchangeable, and are pockets of creation that may contain multiple planets, moons and other celestial bodies, plus what we might call ‘space’, and entirely encompassed by the Abyss. There are other, small planes (often referred to as pocket universes) that contain other matter than celestial bodies (and typically no ‘space’), e.g. the Enchanted Valley, the rune altars, the Starflower Plane.

Re: light creatures:
The light creatures are their own race. The corruption caused by the Dark Lord turned turned many of them into Shadows. It is unknown how much of a consciousness they have.

17-Jan-2017 19:30:20

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Astraea L said :
4. Do the wizards of the Wizards' Tower have any knowledge of lunar spells? Are they able to cast them?

8. Did the Temple Knights in the Fourth and Fifth Ages really communicate directly with Saradomin?

10. Are there any gods other than the ones we know about who fought in the God Wars? If so, how many?

12. How old is the current cycle of the universe?

13. If an age ended (for instance, the transition from the Fifth Age to the Sixth Age) in the middle of the year, would year 1 of the new age be only half a year long?

14. Is the rune essence infinite? If not, will magic eventually die out without the Stone to make more essence?

15. Is divination energy infinite?


4. I’d like to think there’s at least one fringe professor studying lunar magic, stuck in the basement with little funding. There’s a lodestone on Lunar Isle; I’d imagine that suggests a magical community of sorts.

8. Someone instructed the Temple Knights how to construct the Salve barrier (during the Fourth Age), though that could have been instructions left for them (by Saradomin) and need not suggest direct communication with him.

10. No doubt.

12. We had a bit of a discussion about this a few weeks ago… Needless to say it’s not something we’ll reveal here, though.

13. I imagine that might depend on what caused the old age to end and/or the new one to begin.

14. I would strongly doubt that it is infinite; however, it’s not going to run out in our lifetime. Much like fossil fuels.

15. No. But again, it’s not running out anytime soon.

17-Jan-2017 19:32:11

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Czar said :
1. The Shadow Sword, is it a sword made in the Shadow realm and brought over?

2. This is a stretch, but is there a Smoke and Blood realm?

3. Are there other types of magic that have yet to be discovered? (Just a yes/no is fine)

4. Some items from Dungeoneering have strange effects, such as Shadow Silk. Would they retain any special abilities if brought outside Daemonheim?

5. Get ready for Ctho questions from me. How much can a Ctho do with the ability to shape shift? Does it go beyond "become this, become that"? Could a Ctho, hypothetically, become half man, half bear, and half pig?

6. Were all surviving Cthos sent to the Abyss? Could any have escaped being sent beforehand?


1. Knowing Khazard, it’s just a black-coloured steel sword and he thought “Shadow sword” just sounded cool. (Not canon.)

2. I posited the idea a few years back, but I think collectively we’re not keen on that idea.

3. Probably. (So, not fine? :P )

4. In technical terms, not they wouldn’t, as they have Dungeoneering area checks (in case someone manages to smuggle them out past our safety checks). In narrative terms, I imagine they would.

5. Well, no, because that would be three halves. Although…they are chthonians, so that might make sense for them.

6. Was it a banishment or an exodus? I’m sure there are a handful dotted around elsewhere (e.g. Penance).

17-Jan-2017 19:33:00

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Marine Doge said :
2. Can a human (or other race requiring runes for magic) train themselves beyond the need for runes?

5. What's the difference between anima and divine energy? Is divine energy just a form of concentrated anima?

6. Is the act of souls going to the Underworld and Afterlife just a way of returning their anima to the planet? And-- Souls ARE a form of anima, right?

7. There ARE schools of magic beyond what the spellbooks show us and what appears in-game, right? Such as mind magic, nature magic, light magic, and so on?

9. Are onyxes from the TzHaar the same as onyxes in real life? Because onyxes in real life are just a form of common quartz, so TzHaar onyxes are likely something different - just with the same name, right?

10. Can we get more info/lore on the undead? There are wights, skeletons, ankous, and so on. Does the necromancer decide the degree of sentience/sapience they get, and what skills they get to keep (such as magic in the case of Ahrim or skeleton mages)? How does necromancy WORK? Does it screw with Death's "dead person" radar, making him think they're still alive unless he sees them in person?


1. I consider aquamancer and hydromancer as being mostly interchangeable. I would explain it away with language differentiation. Even in the same country, we don’t all refer to the same things with the same words. It’s possible there are subtle differences between them and they are two ever-so-slightly different branches of magic – e.g. perhaps aqua is more liquids in general and hydro is strictly related to water?

2. Maybe not ‘train’ themselves, but move beyond the need of runes – yes.

5. Answered earlier, but I see energy as a refined version of the raw anima, ideal for creating magic.

6. Pretty much, yes. And yes.

7. Most likely, yes.

9. Or they’re just not very rare in our universe?

10. This seems like an area ripe for discussion by the Lore Council…

17-Jan-2017 19:34:27

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Czar said :
7. The Vyre are difficult to fight because you either need silver and it's also stated a flail weapon is best, as they wouldn't be able to predict its randomness. How do the Vyre tell a person's action? Is it a natural ability, someone like instincts or is it an innate mind-reading skill?

Thanks.


I see it as a preternatural instinct, not mind-reading or magic of any form.

17-Jan-2017 19:35:31

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Questcaping said :
2. The Mahjarrat are obviously good with magic in general, but is there any lorey reason behind some having specific abilities while others don't? It's been made explicit that Khazard inherited his ability to manipulate the Shadow Realm from Palkeera, but Lucien didn't have a power over memories for Moia to inherit (unless her human mother, whoever she was, had the power and was somehow able to pass it on -- seems unlikely though). Is there something like dominant/recessive genes going on here, or are specialised Mahjarrat abilities not solely hereditary?

3. One of my favourite aspects of Dishonour Among Thieves was the multiple opportunities it gave me to insult Zemouregal, all of which I gladly took. Can you at least hint at whether the World Guardian will be able to insult Zemouregal further in upcoming quests? And seeing as I mentioned her in both of my other questions, can Moia get in on the insulting Zemouregal action? I bet she'd want to.


2. Mah’s creations all fall somewhere on a magical spectrum – Seren (light) and Zaros (dark) are towards the extremes and more singular in their make-up. I’d imagine that as Mah declined, she couldn’t help but to ‘mix the colours’ a little bit, ergo, inherently, some Mahjarrat are more inclined towards certain types of magic than others. Muspah are more generic as a result (differentiated only really by combat type, and now size). Whatever might have come after the muspah would have been the magical equivalent of the colour brown.

3. You’re free to insult Zemouregal to your heart’s content in Dimension of Disaster. Then, once you’re done, you can reset things so he forgets it all, and then insult him over and over again as if it were the first time.

17-Jan-2017 19:37:42

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Azros said :
1: According to the balance elemental in wgs it was at our funeral and the player was their friend, in memorial of guthix we learn that the balance elemental is made up of 5 people and 1 (a female) who is also a time traveler from our future and she is also a world guardian. Will more story come with this new world guardian?

2: In the memorial of guthix, guthix states that a "male" using the Amserdrwys came and spoke to him and told him of the events that will happen, (this is not the player as the player comes at the end of the 3rd age) Is this the beginning of a new story arc? will new quests come along with this story ?


1. Clearly them knowing you, and you not them, suggests some oddity. Time travel is one way this might be possible. There’s value in explaining this further – that’s all I’d say for the time being.

2. This is referring to the player’s visit in TLW. What about the Time engram makes you think it’s not also taken from this same period of time?

17-Jan-2017 19:38:21

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Kemtros said :
6. Did Ful create The Horn specifically as a "companion" artefact to The Kiln? Would The Horn be reserved for future Eastern Lands content, or could it appear in other content?


Lord Drakan said :
3) What happened to Sir Theodore?


He is, as Sir Amik put it, 'no longer with us'. I think you know what that means.

Lord Drakan said :
5) Does Wizard Finix have a secret agenda? Is he an agent for the ZMI?


Probably not.

Lord Drakan said :
6) Bandos pretended to be Guthix and used his Tears to resurrect Zanik - wouldn't that be possible for other dead characters, in theory? It's interesting because it seems to be the least damaging way of reviving the dead, compared to e.g. Elora's horn or Kardia's creepy ritual.


The tears weren't actually responsible for Zanik's resurrection. To quote The Mighty Fall:

"You remember when Juna resurrected me using the Tears of Guthix? Well, Juna and the Tears had nothing to do with it. It was Bandos who brought me back."
"Bandos could do that? I thought gods didn't have that power."
"Not freely. He had to give up a part of himself. But I was his Chosen Commander. He couldn't let me die."
"When Armadyl dealt the finishing blow by staving in Bandos's skull, I felt it. I felt it like it was happening to me. A pain more intense than death. I passed out."
"I survived, but I began to weaken and sicken. I could feel what was happening. Without Bandos to sustain it, my borrowed life energy was slipping away."
"I went to see Juna, and she agreed. There was nothing she could do."
"She had guessed our fates were tied together, but neither of us anticipated the death of a god. Who would have expected it to happen in my lifetime?"

17-Jan-2017 19:39:57

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Ava Enithesi said :
1. Can you tell us one more (as minimally spoilerific thing as possible) about Armadyl, Abbinah, or his followers that we don't know yet?


It used to be a rare occurrence for an aviansie to reach old age and it was considered a great omen when one would do so. But as age was a gift, it also became a burden on the tribes. So it was that the eldest of the aviansie, when they felt themselves growing to be a burden, would announce to the village that they were to take the Sha'va'taya, the "last journey".

The villagers would hold a great feast and the youngest aviansie would each receive a blessing from the elder and would listen to the tales of the old one. It was a time of great joy, but also mirth, for the final part of the Sha'va'taya was for the elder aviansie to walk to the islands edge and step off.

It is said that during the Sha'va'taya's last moments, the great spirits can be heard to sing, welcoming the aviansie to their new home.

When Armadyl united the tribes, this practice was officially ended.

Ava Enithesi said :
2. Will we ever see more Bandos lore, or something that the Bandosian faction (what's left of it) gets involved in? For example, and this is an idea I've seen tossed around, but perhaps a quest/event/story content of some kind involving a civil war within the Bandosian remnants, some wanting to join Armadyl (and Armadyl probably face-taloning as they utterly fail for a while to assimilate well, given that they're joining their opposites for the wrong reason) because Armadyl was the stronger one between him and Bandos, and others stubbornly refusing, still wantting to live by Bandos's law but not joining Armadyl as the conclusion.


We haven't got anything immediately planned on our quest schedule, but that doesn't mean that it is not a story that we want to explore. Certainly we're not done with the Bandosians yet. ;)

Ava Enithesi said :
3. Is there anything, absolutely anything, in the works for the gnomes? They've consistently placed very low in popular opinion polls, and in my view, their story is split between Arposandra and Ape Atoll. (The 10th Squad is still to this day stranded out there!)


It's something we regularly discuss, but it isn't something we are currently developing.

Ava Enithesi said :
4. What would you say to a player that expresses anxiety that seemingly being so hasty to bring out the Elder Gods makes the young/faction Gods (let alone what has yet to be resolved in the Fifth Age!) "not matter?"


Honestly? That they're wrong.

The stories that we can tell for the two groups are quite different. The elder gods are primal forces of supreme power, they work for epic stories and stories that reshape the physical world.

However.

The ascended gods are a different kettle of fish. For each of those we see them change the world in more personal ways. The gods change ideas and ideologies. They create laws and they create wars that change cultures and identities.

The two tell very different stories and one does not preclude the other. ;)

Ava Enithesi said :
5. Following up from Question Four, why was the Elder God quest not mentioned in the Year Ahead video?


It's planned for relatively late and (whilst unlikely) there is always the chance that we might need to shuffle stuff around at the end of the year. So it's planned, we just wanted to give ourselves some breathing room, expansions are new for us and may lead to tweaking plans a bit. :)

Ava Enithesi said :
6. Will we be seeing more Lores and Histories?


I'd love to do more of them.

= Raven =

17-Jan-2017 19:41:55

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Lime, please.

Also...

Re: Emirs or Al Kharid:
They’re all bloodline descendants of the person who (re-)discovered the Kharid-ib in the ruins of (presumably long-buried) Kharid-et, and were instrumental in the founding and creation of Al Kharid.

Re: Spirit Realm/Plane and other such nonsense:
This is a personal bugbear of mine, but I view all of the Spirit this-that-and-the-others as the same thing, just given different names by different developers over the years. Not that there’s anything wrong with that, but it creates confusion. They can still have their unique traits (e.g. pockets of spiritual existence within a greater, encompassing spirit plane). Except the Shadow Realm, that sits askew, and the Underworld, which sits below (if it has a relative geographical location). Clear? Good.

Re: dragonkin enemies:
Okay, so, they had no enemies (other than themselves…then Jas), being the only mortal beings in existence at that time. There were *probably/possibly* non-sentient creatures, some of which *might* have been dangerous to them. They’ve most definitely changed as a result of their fate.

Re: the previous cycle's universe:
There was no one there to ‘have’ magic, except dragonkin, and they naturally breathe fire so perhaps had no magic either. It would certainly have been less chaotic and more quiet.

Re: magic in previous cycles:
It’s been the same in every revision, it being (until recently) the sole preserve of the elder gods (though refined over the years as they strove towards perfection).

Re: Tumeken's explosion/split thing:
First off, power level does not strictly dictate what each god can and cannot do. They are not limitations, rather what typically becomes possible throughout the tiers and when. There are exceptions to every rule, however. Also, more on this later… I can’t see him ever being on the same tier as Zaros, but he’d have had to have been quite adept to have fended him and his empire off for so long.

Re: the strange machinery in the Smoking Kills dungeon:
*shrugs* I think it was just nice scenery, telling an environmental story of that dungeon. There’s no plan for it outside of personal head-canon.

Re: the existence of the "Western Lands":
Are not all lands both eastern and western in relation to other lands?

Re: golems:
Golem are inanimate constructs (of clay, bamboo, etc) animated by magic/enchantments, and tasked by some fantastical interpretation of programming. Vorago is an anima construct, not a golem, although now you mention it, yes there are some parallels here, just that one of them isn’t made by mortals (e.g. your basic golem) or gods (e.g. the Saradomin colossus).

Re: using the enchanted key on Jas:
It would be like pouring a boiling kettle of water into an active volcano. Both are hot to us.

Re: the 'fact' that Gielinor is the centre of the universe:
Facts? I’m pretty sure we’ve stated that Gielinor and Freneskae are at opposite ends of the universe (which doesn’t necessarily suggest where its centre might be).

Re: when Amascut returned to Gielinor:
Indeed, when DID she return to Gielinor? Has that been stated anywhere in-game? I don't believe so... What was she up to?

17-Jan-2017 19:45:47

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