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Helring
Mar Member 2005

Helring

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If the chat does go back to generals, I think you need an easy way to remove individuals. The purpose of them should generally be to moderate the chat, so the generals should be less divisive. The Generals should be in place not just based on the number that support them, but also based upon the lack of objection towards them being there. You need people that aren't going to start arguments just by being in the position, people that are generally trusted and liked by everyone and not just their own little faction.
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18-Mar-2016 03:54:21 - Last edited on 18-Mar-2016 03:54:43 by Helring

Dethal
Jul Member 2012

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Okay add the vote option that I pick some generals and they will then try to keep the discussion civil.
Like it's a video game chat, not some actual political thingy. No one will have any power anyway. And this way I could also deal with potential problems much faster without having to worry about stuff so much.

Oh and I vote for that. I'm pretty cool

18-Mar-2016 03:55:49 - Last edited on 18-Mar-2016 03:57:22 by Dethal

Amascut
Aug Member 2013

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Raleirosen said :
Ascertes said :
If we DO decide to go with this new system, I do agree generals should be elected by the FC.
General elections are an unnecessary, time-wasting tradition, in my opinion. They're good for nothing but drama.


Indeed, we saw what happened last time, what with Uni bribing, manipulating, and antagonizing all the time to get elected. It was nothing but a drama machine.

But if you think we need chat moderators, it's important that we also end up with people who will actually be trustworthy enough to moderate the chat and not just be part of the problem. @Fannygirdle on Twitter | Co-Owner of The Scrying Pool, a future updates and lore clan

18-Mar-2016 03:56:05

Helring
Mar Member 2005

Helring

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Dethal said :
Okay add the vote option that I pick some generals and they will then try to keep the discussion civil.
Like it's a video game chat, not some actual political thingy. No one will have any power anyway.

Oh and I vote for that.

You picked divisive people for the position, might have been less complaints if it didn't seem like a power grab by some of the people involved. So, if you pick in the future, try not to pick people that are known to be at the center of drama.
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18-Mar-2016 03:58:55

Raleirosen

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Amascut said :
Indeed, we saw what happened last time, what with Uni bribing, manipulating, and antagonizing all the time to get elected. It was nothing but a drama machine.

But if you think we need chat moderators, it's important that we also end up with people who will actually be trustworthy enough to moderate the chat and not just be part of the problem.
If people notice that a general isn't doing their job or doing it poorly, they can make a post here or elsewhere and it can be reviewed by Dethal/the FC at large. Generalship should be based on merit; either do the job, or get stripped of rank. Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.

18-Mar-2016 03:59:58 - Last edited on 18-Mar-2016 04:02:28 by Raleirosen

Dethal
Jul Member 2012

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Helring said :
You picked divisive people for the position, might have been less complaints if it didn't seem like a power grab by some of the people involved. So, if you pick in the future, try not to pick people that are known to be at the center of drama.

Yeah I feel that'd be the way to go. I'm pretty cool

18-Mar-2016 04:00:52

Chaos Lupus

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Dethal said :
Okay add the vote option that I pick some generals and they will then try to keep the discussion civil.
Like it's a video game chat, not some actual political thingy. No one will have any power anyway. And this way I could also deal with potential problems much faster without having to worry about stuff so much.

Oh and I vote for that.

Why don't we just keep one general option so the vote isn't split and allow you to remove any that cause obvious problems?
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18-Mar-2016 04:01:11

Dethal
Jul Member 2012

Dethal

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Chaos Lupus said :
Dethal said :
Okay add the vote option that I pick some generals and they will then try to keep the discussion civil.
Like it's a video game chat, not some actual political thingy. No one will have any power anyway. And this way I could also deal with potential problems much faster without having to worry about stuff so much.

Oh and I vote for that.

Why don't we just keep one general option so the vote isn't split and allow you to remove any that cause obvious problems?

Because the elections don't work. I'm pretty cool

18-Mar-2016 04:05:50

Raxxess

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I honestly have a method I wanna just spit ball here for selecting generals. Its kind of crazy but I don't know for the lore community I think it could work.

Each member of the lore FC states the order of wizard they were placed in the quest rune memories. (blue, red, green, grey)

This will act as their representative voting body.

Those that are in the blue order vote for two in the red order to be a general. and vice versa.

The same goes with the green and grey. those in the green order vote for two generals from the grey order and then vice versa.

This system is really nerdy I get it but the thing is we have kind of established that biases exist and people don't always trust each other. But with this system it basically forces people that in lore stances often disagree into voting for someone on the opposing side they feel is the most respectable. In my eyes that will give us the best candidates for generals because then it will be people that hold respect from most groups in the FC.

I'm not going to go into ultra defense mode on this but just as a general I want to provide a solution that may make people happy.

(it also means voting in our chat has a prereq and that is rune memories which is kind of cool)
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18-Mar-2016 04:07:02 - Last edited on 18-Mar-2016 04:09:51 by Raxxess

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