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Chaos Lupus

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Unicornz pwn said :
Eren Lapucet said :
Well, this is a silly poll. Although uni, you are incorrect. This *is* how things works. Every "official" poll in the past was initiated by one person just like that.
That's actually not how votes were done. Unless you are serious when you refer to this as a poll.

Anyone can post a poll, it just isn't binding in any way.

We should definitely hold a vote to keep the no-generals system or go back to having them. A lot of people don't like the way in which the new generals were decided upon, myself included. I'll add a poll to the front page, the vote will last for a week as they usually do.

Option 1: Revert back to a system with no generals

Option 2: Elect new generals
The strength of the pack is the wolf and the strength of the wolf is the pack.

18-Mar-2016 03:27:17

Eren Lapucet

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Unicornz pwn said :
Eren Lapucet said :
Well, this is a silly poll. Although uni, you are incorrect. This *is* how things works. Every "official" poll in the past was initiated by one person just like that.
That's actually not how votes were done. Unless you are serious when you refer to this as a poll.

Anyone can post a poll, it just isn't binding in any way.
How were polls done then? I'm too Unaligned to have a forum signature.

18-Mar-2016 03:27:30

Dethal
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Ascertes said :
Besides, wasn't this declared an experiment?

I don't know if you got this from me, but no. I said I consider this to be like an experiment. My mouth feels dirty when I think that I might've "declared" something. I'm pretty cool

18-Mar-2016 03:31:33

Ascertes

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Dethal said :
Ascertes said :
Besides, wasn't this declared an experiment?

I don't know if you got this from me, but no. I said I consider this to be like an experiment. My mouth feels dirty when I think that I might've "declared" something.

I actually got it from Hazeel. Let me find the quote quick. Here it is:

Hazeel said :
I'm fine with the idea of a test run. If Dethal wants to try a new system for a week or two, that's fine. No harm done in the end. But I do believe the final decision should be voted on. -Ascertes, King of all the Hallowlands and the Everchosen of Saradomin.

18-Mar-2016 03:32:48 - Last edited on 18-Mar-2016 03:33:46 by Ascertes

Amascut
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1, unless we get rid of Uni as a general permanently for continuing to powergrab and generally make the FC a worse place to be. If that were to happen I would be vaguely open to 2, but even then a no general system seems safer, to stop people from attempting to power trip and do pretty much exactly what Uni's been doing - backstabbing, talking nasty, bribing, trying to set people in (in a freaking VIDEO GAME) and abusing power (again in a freaking VIDEO GAME).

I'm tired of the drama and I'm tired of the mud being flung around by him in particular, and simply ending it is easier than having to go through more drama with him.

So my final vote is Option 1. @Fannygirdle on Twitter | Co-Owner of The Scrying Pool, a future updates and lore clan

18-Mar-2016 03:44:30

Chaos Lupus

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Helring said :
Chaos Lupus said :
Current Vote:

Option 1: Revert back to a system with no generals
Chaos Lupus

Option 2: Elect new generals

Option 3: Helring becomes the Supreme Overlord of the FC

I choose Option 3, however should that option have no chance I vote for Option 1

So...1? :P

I'll change your vote to 3 if it picks up any steam.
The strength of the pack is the wolf and the strength of the wolf is the pack.

18-Mar-2016 03:45:57

Raleirosen

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Ascertes said :
If we DO decide to go with this new system, I do agree generals should be elected by the FC.
General elections are an unnecessary, time-wasting tradition, in my opinion. They're good for nothing but drama.

The purpose of a general is to moderate the chat. This is their only job; they do not "govern," and they're not legislators. They simply make sure the chat isn't derailed. Elections are not conducive to selecting candidates who will do this job well; rather, they morph into popularity contests or invite faction blocs. Appointments, while they risk cronyism, are at least more likely to result in better generals (and by extension, better moderation). Elections would be better suited to setting rules or banning players, that sort of thing.

As it stands, I prefer the new system. Perhaps it was implemented suddenly and without discussion, but I think it's the best. Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.

18-Mar-2016 03:47:17 - Last edited on 18-Mar-2016 03:51:01 by Raleirosen

Raxxess

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I did like the idea of not having generals.

Though I have to say I fully believe Dethal is genuinely doing what he thinks is best for the fc.

I think while we have honest disagreements we should at least have some sympathies for Dethal because it doesn't seem like he can do anything without some people being upset.

I'm not saying I support any system though I did prefer no generals, but then people complained that the quality of chat vastly declined and it became very trolly.

When we had elected generals some were upset that it was a popularity contest rather than who was genuinely the best candidate, and then most people just cut deals with each other (you vote for me I vote for you) and generals rarely ever had to be re-elected.

This current system obviously people either don't like that they weren't made a general or are upset and confused about how it happened or what the criteria was. (I don't really know what it was either, but I will say it has one of the more diverse set of generals we have had despite being a bit lopsided but hey its progress)
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18-Mar-2016 03:48:34

Ascertes

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Chaos Lupus said :
Unicornz pwn said :
Eren Lapucet said :
Well, this is a silly poll. Although uni, you are incorrect. This *is* how things works. Every "official" poll in the past was initiated by one person just like that.
That's actually not how votes were done. Unless you are serious when you refer to this as a poll.

Anyone can post a poll, it just isn't binding in any way.

We should definitely hold a vote to keep the no-generals system or go back to having them. A lot of people don't like the way in which the new generals were decided upon, myself included. I'll add a poll to the front page, the vote will last for a week as they usually do.

Option 1: Revert back to a system with no generals

Option 2: Elect new generals

I say option 2, but I think we need to do away with the whole "every 6 months elect a new general" thing. Elect generals, they serve until the FC calls for them to be removed. We get rid of the political backstabbing and we no longer have anarchy. This seems like our best option. -Ascertes, King of all the Hallowlands and the Everchosen of Saradomin.

18-Mar-2016 03:49:25 - Last edited on 18-Mar-2016 03:51:37 by Ascertes

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