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Ojacha

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I feel like pointing out that if the World Guardian wins, there is no pact to bind us with.
Zaros simply says that you possesing the stone will certainly lead to war. Despite his great respect for us, he will force us to give to stone to him, or face destruction.

Which begs the question. Why didn't Zaros create a pact with us? Did he never consider we would actually win the stone? That seems unlike him. Did he not have the time? And if he did create a pact with us, what would have been his end of the bargain? What would the world guardian want enough for us to give him the stone?

'If there is no one left to stand behind, then I will have to stand alone.'

29-Dec-2016 15:02:49

Hazeel

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I figured it was simply because Zaros saw mortals as trash and couldn't even entertain the idea of one winning. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

29-Dec-2016 16:55:24

Hguoh

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There are a few reasons I can come up with why Zaros would have chosen not to make a pact with us.

1. He really can't give us anything/anything he could give us we couldn't have gotten on our own.

We are the universe's most resourceful mortal, and we're just about immune to god magic. We could just fetch whatever he'd have given us, and any boon he'd give us either wouldn't work or would be incredibly costly.

2. We don't have as many/powerful people that would seek to avenge us as the gods do.

Based on CoM, Zaros is entirely capable of outright killing any one of the gods (bar Seren) if he so chose. The issue with doing so, much like it was when the kin were discussing killing Saradomin, lies with the god's followers. And while we might have made some powerful friends, a big chunk of them are either Zaros's own followers or the followers of another god who isn't likely to prioritize avenging us (especially not up against Zaros armed with the Catalyst).

3. Narrative.

This is a game. And many different kinds of people play it. As a result, there's no selection of options Jagex could have had Zaros offer us that would have gotten every player to agree to a pact with him.

4. To the World Guardian, nothing is worth giving up the stone or our chance at getting it.

It's the most powerful object in existence as well as housing almost all knowledge in the world. It also happens to enrage a bunch of civilization anihilating, plane-jumping, incredibly resilient dragonkin. That's not really something you'd want to give up for basically anything no matter how you look at it.

29-Dec-2016 19:55:35 - Last edited on 31-Dec-2016 17:58:01 by Hguoh

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2012

Summerleaf

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Padomenes said :
Summerleaf said :
Padomenes said :

*snip*

Either you're an amazing roleplayer, or you need to stop falling for my Kill the Smurf King jokes. I was worried about the potential chance that you were being serious about it because it was certainly possible, but had the feeling anyway. However I'm glad you were not serious then. You were really just joking all along when you were talking about killing gods then, huh? Apologies if so.

Our faction in terms of the stress levels got to the point where its being cornered/surrounded in the bashing. Just had to push back against that.

For the most part, I am joking, but when it comes to Saradomin's death, I'm serious.

I want to cut his throat open over a Zamorakian altar, and watch his silvery-blue ichor spray out onto the masses below as his body begins to turn to stone. I will watch as the demonic hordes scream in triumph and use his blood as lubricant for their horrific breeding rituals. I will yell in triumph as I smash his head in with a crystalline shield, and feed his stony beard to the rock pests in the caverns below Asgarnia. I will take his crown, and wear it upon my head as I carve his body into my personal throne. I will cover him in porcelain, and lay him in my bathroom where he shall remain for eternity, beneath my bum.

O_o

30-Dec-2016 04:22:29

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2012

Summerleaf

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Ojacha said :
I feel like pointing out that if the World Guardian wins, there is no pact to bind us with.
Zaros simply says that you possesing the stone will certainly lead to war. Despite his great respect for us, he will force us to give to stone to him, or face destruction.

Which begs the question. Why didn't Zaros create a pact with us? Did he never consider we would actually win the stone? That seems unlike him. Did he not have the time? And if he did create a pact with us, what would have been his end of the bargain? What would the world guardian want enough for us to give him the stone?

I always thought it was something to do with our World Guardian abilities making us immune to the death part of Vindictum Juris, but I'm still a little fuzzy on how that works.

Also, Hazeel makes a good point, bc this is how I'm feeling about Zaros due to recent events.

Hguoh has the best theory tho, imo.

30-Dec-2016 04:25:48 - Last edited on 30-Dec-2016 04:27:03 by Summerleaf

Apr

2010

Jimothey

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Summerleaf said :
Ojacha said :
I feel like pointing out that if the World Guardian wins, there is no pact to bind us with.
Zaros simply says that you possesing the stone will certainly lead to war. Despite his great respect for us, he will force us to give to stone to him, or face destruction.

Which begs the question. Why didn't Zaros create a pact with us? Did he never consider we would actually win the stone? That seems unlike him. Did he not have the time? And if he did create a pact with us, what would have been his end of the bargain? What would the world guardian want enough for us to give him the stone?

I always thought it was something to do with our World Guardian abilities making us immune to the death part of Vindictum Juris, but I'm still a little fuzzy on how that works.

Also, Hazeel makes a good point, bc this is how I'm feeling about Zaros due to recent events.

Hguoh has the best theory tho, imo. Actually, from what I remember from Death of Chivalry (I chose to not give the wand), a god's magic CAN hurt us so long as they use enough of it. Saradomin's blast could have killed us had we not had our World Guardian powers, but it still managed to hurt us, or at least knock us over. That goes for Zaros too; with a strong enough blast, he could probably manage to hurt us enough or potentially even kill us. We're not completely immune but certainly resistant. Vindictum Juris is still iffy and might not kill us anyways, as pointed out.

So my thinking is Zaros may have known that he would have not needed a pact in the first place, and simply needed to threaten us with our life. Roses are grey, violets are grey, I'm in Pompeii, I'm lost.

31-Dec-2016 01:49:09

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2023

SixOfOne

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Vindictum Juris would work on the player. It's a demonic contract that has nothing to do with the players' world guardian status. It's simply a contract where if one of the terms isn't fulfilled then the party who didn't fulfill their part of the contract 'will be unmade'. It's not death, you get erased from existence. It doesn't use God energy at all.

Hguoh has the right of it. Zaros doesn't need to use the pact, he is perfectly capable of destroying us even with our divine protection especially after CoM. As has already been said world guardian status doesn't completely annul divine energy only reduces it.

A pact with us also wouldn't work for simple gameplay reasons. What would Zaros offer us in return? A reasonably large number of people would say no. When would you have the event take place? There would be too many variables and problems to implement it well. I thought what I'd do was, I'd pretend to be one of those deaf-mutes

31-Dec-2016 11:53:41 - Last edited on 31-Dec-2016 12:01:44 by SixOfOne

Apr

2013

ZAmorakZaros

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SixOfOne said :
Vindictum Juris would work on the player. It's a demonic contract that has nothing to do with the players world guardian status. It's simply a contract where if one of the terms isn't fulfilled then the party who didn't fulfill their part of the contract 'will be unmade'. It's not death, you get erased from existence. It doesn't use God energy at all.

Hguoh has the right of it. Zaros doesn't need to use the pact, he is perfectly capable of destroying us even with our divine protection especially after CoM. As has already been said world guardian status doesn't completely annul divine energy only reduces it.

A pact with us also wouldn't work for simple gameplay reasons. What would Zaros offer us in return? A reasonably large number of people would say no. When would you have the event take place? There would be too many variables and problems to implement it well.
Yep. If Guthix had used all of his energy for the protection, we would be some what safe. But he didn't. I wish we could strenghten the protection with divination. NO
I do not ship ZamorakxZaros.
I follow them. And Marimbo, the best t5 god.

31-Dec-2016 11:58:39

Hazeel

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Looking back, I've noticed a huge flaw with Zaros' deal...

Sliske: Enough. The game is over. Armadyl, take your stone and do with it what you will!
Zaros: Armadyl, my Praetor Plumalis, it is time to uphold our bargain.

The deal for all the Gods was that they were bound to do Zaros one favor during Sliske's game. But a game is over once the winner is delcared--indeed Sliske even said the game is over. So for what reason should any of the Gods comply? Zaros is asking for his favor when the game is already finished, they don't owe him a thing.

This seems like such a massive oversight on Zaros' part too...surely he should be intelligent enough to realize that a game ends when a winner is declared. It would have made more sense for him to tell everyone to drop out from the start or tell the finalist in the race to kill the WG so he can bolt towards the stone while the deity and WG are distracted. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

31-Dec-2016 23:28:29

Vardan

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Summerleaf said :
Padomenes said :
Summerleaf said :
Padomenes said :

*snip*

Either you're an amazing roleplayer, or you need to stop falling for my Kill the Smurf King jokes. I was worried about the potential chance that you were being serious about it because it was certainly possible, but had the feeling anyway. However I'm glad you were not serious then. You were really just joking all along when you were talking about killing gods then, huh? Apologies if so.

Our faction in terms of the stress levels got to the point where its being cornered/surrounded in the bashing. Just had to push back against that.

For the most part, I am joking, but when it comes to Saradomin's death, I'm serious.

I want to cut his throat open over a Zamorakian altar, and watch his silvery-blue ichor spray out onto the masses below as his body begins to turn to stone. I will watch as the demonic hordes scream in triumph and use his blood as lubricant for their horrific breeding rituals. I will yell in triumph as I smash his head in with a crystalline shield, and feed his stony beard to the rock pests in the caverns below Asgarnia. I will take his crown, and wear it upon my head as I carve his body into my personal throne. I will cover him in porcelain, and lay him in my bathroom where he shall remain for eternity, beneath my bum.

O_o

Careful you don't cut yourself on that edge.

Edit: I'm going to assume you were being edgy as a joke and not seriously being the posting embodiment of r/unsheathskatanna

We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm.

01-Jan-2017 01:35:32 - Last edited on 01-Jan-2017 01:39:39 by Vardan

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