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Angof Cywir

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Vardan said :
It's weird that Raven apparently said Seren can't beat Zaros unless he's been weakened. With me she stole Saradomin's daughter, and thus Zaros had to give up the pact or he would die since he couldn't fufill his end.

Seren and Zaros were both at full power but I told Seren not to trust Zaros and got her and Saradomin to part on good terms so I wonder if that's what tipped the scales in her favor.

What? Are you sure you heard the word stole used in the dialogue? Seren's agents recovered recovered the girl during the time of the quest. She never intended to keep her, even if Saradomin didn't win the race or even mention her in the quest. Seren returns her promptly at the end of the quest. Seren also had to bargain the daughter no matter what should Saradomin win, because she replaced Zaros in the pact. It wasn't like she was using the girl as leverage.
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22-Dec-2016 02:01:47 - Last edited on 22-Dec-2016 02:07:24 by Angof Cywir

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Angof Cywir said :
What? Are you sure you heard the word stole used in the dialogue? Seren's agents recovered recovered the girl during the time of the quest. She never intended to keep her, even if Saradomin didn't win the race or even mention her in the quest. Seren returns her promptly at the end of the quest. Seren also had to bargain the daughter no matter what should Saradomin win, because she replaced Zaros in the pact. It wasn't like she was using the girl as leverage.

I believe Varden means 'stole Saradomin's daughter from Zaros.'

Anyways, I think that it is worth pointing out that, based on the way the Vinculum Juris worked in Zamorak's case (Zaros had to fulfill his end regardless of whether he invoked the pact or not) and how the pact works for the gods not called upon (they did not cease to exist), Zaros most likely would have to hold up his ends of the bargains regardless of if he actually invokes them or not. The only exception to this would be if Seren managed to override any of his deals by swapping herself into his place.

In other words, I'm pretty sure Zaros was going to need to return Saradomin's daughter no matter if Saradomin won or not (equally, he'd have to aid Armadyl no matter what as well). This also makes sense from a design perspective for RS as it ensures that the set up for any events involving these things stays fairly consistent between players regardless of their individual outcomes in Sliske's Endgame.

It's also worth pointing out this bit of dialogue:

Zaros: It is too late to rail against our agreement Saradomin. The terms were clear and your agreement was not coerced.

Saradomin: Then is she...?

Zaros: Your daughter is safe Saradomin. Nex found her on one of the Obsidian Tribunal's worlds. She is safely in my possession now.

Which indicates that it was the Obsidan Tribunal that originally stole Saradomin's daughter, not Zaros.

22-Dec-2016 02:38:05

SixOfOne
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Summerleaf said :
Bottom line is: In FOTG, I fully restored Zaros.

Can I
*PLEASE*
take one of my Godswords and shove it through him.

A Godword wouldn't be enough. Especially not the player godswords which are replicas. I thought what I'd do was, I'd pretend to be one of those deaf-mutes

22-Dec-2016 15:32:44

Zulkir

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Summerleaf said :
Bottom line is: In FOTG, I fully restored Zaros.

Can I
*PLEASE*
take one of my Godswords and shove it through him.

You could try, but it would be akin to trying to stab a Rock with a Candy cane.
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22-Dec-2016 23:13:36

Zulkir

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Of course Zaros will always have the upper hand if fully restored.

He isn't the God of fate for Nothing, you know. Try as Seren might she comes nowhere near close to his Understanding of demonic pacts and these "Threads of Fate". She was really out of her depth.

Glad to see Zaros showing once again his control over the situation, I never expected we'd learn so much, at that moment, although the dialogue in Endgame is a bit scattered around.
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22-Dec-2016 23:17:02 - Last edited on 22-Dec-2016 23:17:13 by Zulkir

Summerleaf
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Zulkir said :
Of course Zaros will always have the upper hand if fully restored.

He isn't the God of fate for Nothing, you know. Try as Seren might she comes nowhere near close to his Understanding of demonic pacts and these "Threads of Fate". She was really out of her depth.

Glad to see Zaros showing once again his control over the situation, I never expected we'd learn so much, at that moment, although the dialogue in Endgame is a bit scattered around.

The transcript on the wiki is mostly fleshed out if you want to read what's there.

22-Dec-2016 23:40:22

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