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Summerleaf said :
Zulkir said :
Of course Zaros will always have the upper hand if fully restored.

He isn't the God of fate for Nothing, you know. Try as Seren might she comes nowhere near close to his Understanding of demonic pacts and these "Threads of Fate". She was really out of her depth.

Glad to see Zaros showing once again his control over the situation, I never expected we'd learn so much, at that moment, although the dialogue in Endgame is a bit scattered around.

The transcript on the wiki is mostly fleshed out if you want to read what's there.

The only time a fully restored Seren seems to have the upper hand over a fully restored Seren is if Saradomin wins, and that's more due to her forces somehow managing to take Saradomin's daughter away from Nex (I'm fairly curious how she managed that considering Nex's reputation).

So 1 point Seren.

On the other hand, Zaros has the upper hand in Armadyl's deal as he demonstrates his superior control over the deals and there is no way for her to have taken Zaros's bargaining chip in this deal.

So 1 point Zaros.

In the event that the World Guardian wins, it is Zaros, not Seren, who moves to take the stone. Due to the obvious inability to measure the success of either one's actions in this case (the stone was destroyed immediately after), I cannot award a point to either of them in this situation.

This leaves but one scenario to analyze: if Zamorak wins. Now, there is no transcript for this section yet, but, given the lack of a necessary bargaining chip for Seren to steal, it would once again come down to whom can control the deals better, which was demonstrated to be Zaros.

So Zaros gets another point.

Granted it isn't the always has the upper hand position Lethal says, but it should be fairly clear who has the upper hand when it comes to demonic pacts.

22-Dec-2016 23:54:53

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Ancient Drew said :
^ I imagine Zamorak would be pretty pissed if Seren rewrote the pact with him.
He hates them both and blames Zaros just as much in his own words. He only held his tongue around Zaros because Zaros owned him until the competition was over. He wouldn't be happy giving the Stone to either one.
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25-Dec-2016 17:37:10

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Vardan said :
Ancient Drew said :
^ I imagine Zamorak would be pretty pissed if Seren rewrote the pact with him.
He hates them both and blames Zaros just as much in his own words. He only held his tongue around Zaros because Zaros owned him until the competition was over. He wouldn't be happy giving the Stone to either one.

I don't think Seren can rewrite the pact with Zamorak as one of the conditions has already been fulfilled. Therefore she isn't able to transfer the terms of the pact. Also, when Zaros asks for the stone from Zamorak he isn't surprised by what is being asked from him. He's more resigned to the fact rather than angry. I thought what I'd do was, I'd pretend to be one of those deaf-mutes

25-Dec-2016 20:54:00

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25-Dec-2016 22:41:43

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SixOfOne said :
I don't think Seren can rewrite the pact with Zamorak as one of the conditions has already been fulfilled. Therefore she isn't able to transfer the terms of the pact. Also, when Zaros asks for the stone from Zamorak he isn't surprised by what is being asked from him. He's more resigned to the fact rather than angry.

So the order of things is important, then? I could see that. With Armadyl and Saradomin, they have to give Zaros the Stone, and then he'll fulfill his end of the bargain. This is probably not the best way to put it, but imagine if you could write down the contracts. Just Ctrl+F "Zaros" with "Seren" in Armadyl and Saradomin's pacts, and it still works. "Give Seren the Stone, and Stone will help you." But that wouldn't work with Zamorak. The condition was that Zaros had to complete the ritual before Zamorak would be obligated to hand over the Stone. Since Seren played no real part in the actual ritual, she's in no position to have Zamorak be indebted to her.

On the other hand, does anyone have Seren attempt to use her geas with Zamorak anyway? Though from what I understand, even she couldn't just do it on a whim. From what I understand, she was able to rewrite the pact because Saradomin and Armadyl allowed her to. The issue here would be whether or not Zamorak would even agree to such a pact, and considering that it's Seren, I doubt he would. Seren actually did need permission from the other side of the pact. The only person she's undermining with the pact is Zaros.

25-Dec-2016 22:53:34

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I haven't finished yet, but I stated to Seren and Armadyl that Armadyl's plan to move to Tardiad is a stupid idea.
I sure hope they listened to me, I did'nt like Seren that much, but having her turn into an ingame Merkel would make me absolutely despise her.

And I disliked Armadyl to begin with.
Bandos would've been more fun to have around.
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26-Dec-2016 11:33:40

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Lord Bhaal said :
I haven't finished yet, but I stated to Seren and Armadyl that Armadyl's plan to move to Tardiad is a stupid idea.
I sure hope they listened to me, I did'nt like Seren that much, but having her turn into an ingame Merkel would make me absolutely despise her.

And I disliked Armadyl to begin with.
Bandos would've been more fun to have around. Agreed, but mostly because I think aviansie and elves eating addictive crystals that make them insane and attack anything on sight don't mix. If anything, the Armadyleans should move to Tirannwn, they'll be safer there. Prepare for hell on RuneScape in Naval Cataclysm!

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26-Dec-2016 11:38:11

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Ancient Drew said :
Lord Bhaal said :
I haven't finished yet, but I stated to Seren and Armadyl that Armadyl's plan to move to Tardiad is a stupid idea.
I sure hope they listened to me, I did'nt like Seren that much, but having her turn into an ingame Merkel would make me absolutely despise her.

And I disliked Armadyl to begin with.
Bandos would've been more fun to have around. Agreed, but mostly because I think aviansie and elves eating addictive crystals that make them insane and attack anything on sight don't mix. If anything, the Armadyleans should move to Tirannwn, they'll be safer there.

I simply don't like the concept of aviansie at all to be honest.
Definitely hope we're able to sabotage those deals so the aviansie go extinct for good now.
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26-Dec-2016 15:39:37

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