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2023

Lego Miester

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Padomenes said :

Instead of "Garlandia" they should have depicted how "suffocating and devoid of individual autonomy" New Domina is.

I'm still really looking forward to New Domina. I think we should get a chance to see every god's planet who has one to see what their rule is like.

I picture like you say, a very strict theocracy that's very tough on crime. Everything is either Saradomin directly dictating what to do or people "elected" by Saradomin, in a "Big Brother is watching" sort of way. Headcanon Haven, where everything is made up and the points don't matter.
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08-Jun-2016 02:12:49 - Last edited on 08-Jun-2016 02:15:53 by Lego Miester

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Lego Miester

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William Witt said :
It's also never been said by any official source (ingame or otherwise) that Saradomin committed "genocide" against the naragi

I wonder who's been saying that? We just know that, after being kicked out, he came back and asserted his control over the world with force. A show of force, with a massive army, would be able to assert dominance with relatively little bloodshed. The destruction and/or terror nevertheless lead to camps of refugees.

William Witt said :

Zarosians being exterminated is also something that isn't discussed in canon, apart from the Nex's followers book (unless I'm forgetting something) - The contents of said book seeming to pin such acts on Zamorakians. I did actually have a forum thread a while back exploring the sources and why this seems to me to largely be a player-made concept. Armadyl took part in the dismantling of the empire too, remember (Azzanadra's memory from the Mahjarrat Memories even shows a desire for revenge against Armadyl), and I doubt he'd be up for that kind of thing. If this was anything like the historical Christianization of the Roman Empire, the newly Christian rulers didn't "exterminate" the pagans.

I lose track of the sources of all these things, it's why I tend to use the admittedly-not-perfect-but-better-than-my-memory off-site wiki. All I remember is Zamorakians and Saradominists worked together at one point to bury the Zarosian empire, with stuff like Saradomin building an entire city on top of the ruins of Senntisten. Considering at one point there were a ton of them and then there weren't that basically requires either genocide or mass forced conversion at swordpoint. Headcanon Haven, where everything is made up and the points don't matter.
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08-Jun-2016 02:23:05

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William Witt

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Varrock Museum artifacts seem to suggest Senntisten was Zamorakian for a while (taken over by Zamorakians?) - The city of Saranthium came later.

And let's see, "considering at one point there were a ton of worshippers of the Roman gods and then there weren't"... ;P

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08-Jun-2016 03:09:44 - Last edited on 08-Jun-2016 03:10:16 by William Witt

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Two quotes from the Book of the Gods: Zaros.

For a hundred generations we have held the Holy City against the armies of the usurper and the other gods . Alone among the armies of this world at war, we fight without the presence of our god, and yet we stand unconquered.

But our city now faces an unprecedented threat. The massed armies of Zamorak and Saradomin approach us at once, each larger than any army the city has repulsed before.

and

There are now only a hundred of us - harried on every side by the armies of the lesser gods , and forced to keep our faith secret. Despite these things, we have prevailed. The God Wars are over, and there are still those in Gielinor who worship Zaros.

The Zarosian Genocide very likely did occur and Saradomin and Zamorak did both play a part in it (although, given Azzanadra's memory, Armadyl also likely played a part due to his alliance with Saradomin, but strangely not Bandos). It is, however, debatable just how much of the genocide can be attributed to each party.

08-Jun-2016 06:32:39 - Last edited on 08-Jun-2016 06:35:14 by Hguoh

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Sepulchre

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The idea that Armadyl took part in a genocide and yet Bandos didn't sounds almost like a lorefail, honestly. That's how much I don't believe it to be true. A

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08-Jun-2016 09:24:20

Hguoh

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Sepulchre said :
The idea that Armadyl took part in a genocide and yet Bandos didn't sounds almost like a lorefail, honestly. That's how much I don't believe it to be true.

You have to keep in mind that during a very large chunk of the God Wars Armadyl was largely subservient to Saradomin (and especially susceptible to being told people are 'evil').

On the other hand, given where Bandosian races tend to live nowadays (excluding the bits where we know that they moved into those areas long after the God Wars), It actually seems that Bandos was on the wrong side of multiple territories controlled by other gods and so was not in a geographically favorable position to invade the Zarosian Empire until long after it had initially fallen.

08-Jun-2016 15:05:46 - Last edited on 08-Jun-2016 15:16:17 by Hguoh

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Sepulchre said :
The idea that Armadyl took part in a genocide and yet Bandos didn't sounds almost like a lorefail, honestly. That's how much I don't believe it to be true.

Bandos wasn't involved in every genocide to ever occur you know. As much as he'd of liked to be, don't get me wrong.

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08-Jun-2016 15:14:21

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Cthris

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Hguoh said :

You have to keep in mind that during a very large chunk of the God Wars Armadyl was largely subservient to Saradomin (and especially susceptible to being told people are 'evil').

On the other hand, given where Bandosian races tend to live nowadays (excluding the bits where we know that they moved into those areas long after the God Wars), It actually seems that Bandos was on the wrong side of multiple territories controlled by other gods and so was not in a geographically favorable position to invade the Zarosian Empire until long after it had initially fallen.
It's even possible that Bandos was somewhere around the Easter Lands at the time. Somehow the cyclops got to the Eastern Lands. I doubt they managed to build ships for themselves and sail over there, so Bandos bringing them there would be my first guess. In the Third Age he's pretty involved with conflict on the Western Lands(?) so I doubt he would be doing anything over there. However in the Second age we don't really know what he did so it provided the best window for him to be there.

To back this up, we know that Bandos did have a navy of sorts. (He bred Mogres, and Sea Trolls) which wouldn't make a huge amount of sense unless he was waging a water based campaign since the Aviancy live in the sky, and the Icyene, demons, dragons & riders can fly which would mean Bandos water based troops would be largely useless unless he was invading other areas.

We also know that Zaros was sending his own navy east. Which doesn't make tons of sense since the Saradominist empire was accessible by land and was inhabited by tons of flying people and the Desert was south, not east, and of course the Aviancy live in the sky.

So the best possible answer for why there are cyclops in the east, why Bandos made navy troops, and why Zaros was sending his navy to the east is that Bandos was invading the Eastern Lands during the Second Age.

08-Jun-2016 17:49:51

Raleirosen

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Sepulchre said :
The idea that Armadyl took part in a genocide and yet Bandos didn't sounds almost like a lorefail, honestly. That's how much I don't believe it to be true.
It does make a little sense... sort of. Why would Bandos be interested in wiping out a civilization? Presumably he'd prefer an actual fight, rather than hunting down a hundred or so refugees.

Of course, that doesn't take into account his TM* retconning. Would cowardly, manipulative Bandos behave the same way? I dunno. Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.

08-Jun-2016 18:12:34

Hazeel

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Sepulchre said :
The idea that Armadyl took part in a genocide and yet Bandos didn't sounds almost like a lorefail, honestly. That's how much I don't believe it to be true.

1) Armadyl is just as bloodthirsty as Bandos.

2) Bandos wasn't on Gielinor yet. He didn't come until mid 3rd age. Even if he did come before the Zarosians fell, he didn't have a beef with them to make it his focus. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

08-Jun-2016 18:22:52

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