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Dennorak
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Icriulis said :
Lego Miester said :
I suppose it depends what you focus on.

Can you ever focus on the positives?
A lot of Saradominists ignore the positives of Zamorak, which where the "Zamorak is evil" talk comes in
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20-Sep-2013 20:59:32

Lego Miester
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Icriulis said :
Lego Miester said :
I suppose it depends what you focus on.

Can you ever focus on the positives?

Focusing on the positives is boring, plenty of people already do that. Jagex has added a lot of moral greyness to Saradomin's character since the 6th age, and it's interesting to see him gain depth as a character that way. Hopefully the other gods receive similar treatment to such a degree we have equally thread-spanning debates about them. ^_^ Headcanon Haven, where everything is made up and the points don't matter.
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20-Sep-2013 21:01:48

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Icriulis said :
Saradomin had nothing to do with the death of the Centaurs. They decided to fight for him in the God wars, they got wiped out. Oh well. Now Saradomin is attempting to do a benevolent act by reviving them.

So they can fight for him again, whether they want to or not.

And I wonder how many followers of Saradomin really want him to kill everyone else..
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20-Sep-2013 21:29:34

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A Mighty said :
Icriulis said :
Saradomin had nothing to do with the death of the Centaurs. They decided to fight for him in the God wars, they got wiped out. Oh well. Now Saradomin is attempting to do a benevolent act by reviving them.

So they can fight for him again, whether they want to or not.

And I wonder how many followers of Saradomin really want him to kill everyone else..

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And I wonder how many followers of Saradomin really want him to kill everyone else..

Doesn't want to kill everyone else, purge. He simply wants to take out Zamorak.

20-Sep-2013 21:37:14

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Two can play at that game.

" Definitely short tempered! He's impulsive , and will do what he can to keep his people safe'"
No thanks. Not with that kind of power.

"Saradomins primary concern is that of the people and those who he protects. I don't think that Saradomin is angry at the World Guardian but Saradomin certainly wants to do things his way ''
Can we always trust that his way is better than ours?

"You are exactly right. Saradomin's motivations here are almost entirely benevolent - he wants to make up for errors with the centaurs. But he was impulsive and emotional, and that's often been his failing. The naragi could be restored, but I wonder if they would be his first target.'"
Again... that kind of power can't be trusted in the hands of an impulsive, emotional person.

" Only if his way is the best decision for his followers and believers "
What gives him the right to make that decision? Most of the time I disagree - but he'll still do anything to get it done.

"That's the intriguing thing about Sir Owen. He's deeply pragmatic. He can see the reason why Saradomin did what he did; he's alive again, in whatever capacity, and can continue to fight the good fight.

The very early concept for the quest was actually that Sir Owen would have a crisis of faith and turn away from Saradomin. We discovered that's just not in his nature. It's his faith in Saradomin, but that he shares Saradomin's determination to complete his mission and protect those that cannot protect themselves, and will make any sacrifice and use any method to achieve that end. "

I'd rather not have Saradomin using BoL methods to achieve any end, thanks.

20-Sep-2013 23:41:30

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"I think Saradomin is more reasonable and tolerant than either faction has been led to believe. The ends justify the means . I don't think he would condemn a demon who was committed to his ideals."
That, in the hands of a T3 god? Run for your life.

"Saradomin fights to protect the world from outsiders. If the gods bring violence, then he will return it in kind.'"
Saradomin struck first at Lumbridge.

20-Sep-2013 23:42:59

William Witt
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Going by the sentence structure, the 'and will make any sacrifice' part refers to Sir Owen, not to Saradomin - As in, 'Sir Owen shares Saradomin's determination to complete his mission and protect those that cannot protect themselves, and Sir Owen will make any sacrifice and use any method to achieve that end.'


As for the matter of Lumbridge - Saradomin reacts with surprise at the Guthix power Zamorak uncovers beneath the earth, going 'What!'

Saradomin didn't know the power was there. Thus, even if Zamorak intended only to harvest that power and leave without harming anyone or damaging Lumbridge, Saradomin doesn't know that.

From his perspective, his archenemy of old, the being who literally tore the Wilderness asunder, has suddenly appeared in a strictly Saradominist town and appears to be attacking citizens.

'Zamorak. I cannot allow you to continue.' says Saradomin, confronting the perceived aggressor. He precedes this by firing a shot at Zamorak that does no damage we can determine, and that may have simply been intended to get Zamorak's attention prior to his declaration. It is worth noting that at the time he fires the shot and says this, Saradomin is at human size and on the ground - Not 'giant-sized' like Zamorak.

Then, if you observe the cutscene, when the two gods fire the energy beams at each other, it is in fact Zamorak who attacks first with his flames, Saradomin reacting a moment later with his blue light.
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21-Sep-2013 00:01:03 - Last edited on 21-Sep-2013 00:02:31 by William Witt

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It's interesting to note how the paradigm of debate over Saradomin's character has shifted from 'is he evil?' to something like 'is he competent?'. I've still not decided on whether Saradomin's way is the best way, but at least it's becoming clear that his intentions are good.

Good thread.

21-Sep-2013 11:15:16

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